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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Graeme Dey

Thank you for indulging me, convener.

I am looking at the proposed amendments from the commissioner’s office, many of which make perfect sense in the context of the legislation that is coming down the track. However, I want to pick up on one practical point—this is not a hostile question. You say that any care home that accepts young people must be

“registered, regulated and inspected by the Care Inspectorate as a care home for children and young people”,

and must have

“a recent ‘adequate’ inspection report.”

We would all agree that that is fundamental, but it is not practical at the moment, because we are still in the pandemic and there will probably be a backlog of inspections. In fact, what you propose, with the best of intentions, could make the situation worse because, if insufficient numbers of homes met that particular criterion, there would be an issue about where to place the children, full stop, would there not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Graeme Dey

That is my point. Were you not having a dialogue before then about what progress in this area would look like?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Graeme Dey

Would the element of access to advocacy services not be a step forward?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Graeme Dey

I will come at the issue from a slightly different direction, cabinet secretary, and perhaps get a more detailed answer to the point that the convener is making. To approach the issue from the bottom up, teachers we have spoken to in our evidence gathering have been clear that the impacts of the pandemic have been significant, and we have to recognise that. We also have the cost of living crisis. Teachers have also acknowledged that they now have a much clearer idea of what works in addressing the attainment challenge.

We have that as well as the funding and the Government providing direction. Looking at all that in the round, now that those foundations are in place, would it be reasonable to expect that, in the coming years—the next few years—we will begin to see further and quite significant progress?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Graeme Dey

What would you consider to be “recent”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Graeme Dey

I want to be clear. Are you saying that the conversation about the proposals took place only last week, after they had become public?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Graeme Dey

My question is about the interaction and relationship between the office of the commissioner and the Scottish Government. From what you have said, there seems to be quite a lot of blue water between your position and that of the Government. Was there any discussion between the office of the commissioner and the Scottish Government while the regulations were being put together?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Graeme Dey

You mentioned the opportunity for the child to challenge, but surely that challenge would lie with the placing authority. The challenge ought to be between the child and their representatives and the placing authority, so it would not lie in Scotland, would it?

11:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 11 May 2022

Graeme Dey

It is in the context of local authorities seeing their role change considerably. Local authorities were the power in local education delivery.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 11 May 2022

Graeme Dey

I want to take us back to Oliver Mundell’s line of questioning. I apologise if I missed something, but surely there is an active role for Education Scotland in addressing that issue, given that you have a Scotland-wide remit and involvement in every collaborative. You talked about good practice in the Northern Alliance around rural and remote rural schools. Is there not a role for you guys to say to the other RICs, “Look, you have rural schools that would benefit from the amassed corporate knowledge that we have in Scotland, and we want to make sure that you are taking the needs of your rural schools into account.”?

I heard the words “intention” and “aspiration”, but I am more interested in practical application. If you are not already doing that, it would not require Government direction or a policy change. It strikes me that it is self-evident that that should be happening, if it is not happening already.