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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Graeme Dey

For our part, I am happy to have a conversation with the Parliament about the practicalities of that. The committee might feel that it wants to reinforce that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Graeme Dey

Yes.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Graeme Dey

It would also have required self-declaration by the member of how much they had earned in that period.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Graeme Dey

I recognise that risk, convener, but, in taking forward the regulations, we had to strike a balance and take account of, as was alluded to earlier, the risks around having by-elections arise on a large scale to elect people for only six or nine months, with all the costs that come with that.

Nothing is perfect, but I think that this is the most pragmatic way to proceed. Of course, we will monitor that and, if the concerns that you are expressing arise, it will be open to Parliament to return to the issue if that is deemed necessary.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Graeme Dey

Yes, and it might be useful for colleagues to understand why it is 372 days and not 365 days. That is because the first Thursdays in May can fall up to six extra days apart. Thursday 1 May 2036 and Thursday 7 May 2037 are 371 days apart. In case anyone was wondering, that is the reason for that number.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Graeme Dey

I will bring in Ailsa McKeever to provide the detail. To answer your question, I point out that the Welsh system uses a period of eight days, and it was deemed to be working quite well and effectively. However, we took the view that that length of time is probably a little bit sharp, so we extended it to 14 days. We thought that that was a sensible compromise, if you wish to look at it that way.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Graeme Dey

Yes.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Graeme Dey

It will not impact anyone currently.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Graeme Dey

You make a welcome point. It is an opportunity for the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee, or its next iteration in Parliament, to continue to monitor the effectiveness of the regulations. They may develop from that starting point as the Parliament goes forward.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education and Skills

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Graeme Dey

This might take a bit of time, convener, but I hope that you will indulge me.

I entirely understand the stress and frustration that has been felt by the staff and others at how long this has taken and how long the situation has dragged on. I can speak for the cab sec as well and say that we have certainly been frustrated by the time that it has taken. We have had to, at various points, recognise that the role of ministers in the context of legislation and our relationship with universities is at play here, as is the need to protect the Office for National Statistics classification. The situation with the finances of the university is a complex one, and understanding how it got into that situation also took a bit of time and contributed to the delays.

As we moved through that, there has also, to be candid, been an element of everybody involved wanting to be absolutely sure of the numbers in front of them, with regard to the asks, in particular, but also the robustness of two iterations of a financial recovery plan. More recently, the university has rightly been expected by the SFC to bring forward a certain level of detail to underpin what has been placed in front of it. That, in turn, has rightly seen the court of the university take a keen interest, and that has contributed to the delays, too. The plan now goes to the SFC, and the SFC’s board is involved. That is the background to why it has taken this long.

Just to bring this more up to date, I think that people are aware that, on 28 May, the SFC received a further financial ask that had gone through the university’s processes; that has been going through the processes of the SFC and its board, which have been interrogating the nature of the ask. The Scottish Government formally received a notification of the request on 6 June, and we are working on that at pace.

This is an on-going situation within the Government; indeed, the cross-ministerial group will be meeting this afternoon—we meet regularly on this matter. I should also say that the cab sec has led a lot of the direct engagement with the trade unions, which have been an important part of all of this.

The additional ask of £22 million that has been brought forward has two elements to it. The first is to avoid the scale of disruption proposed, particularly in respect of employment, in the first iteration of the financial recovery plan. That would have been quite destructive to employment levels and nobody was in any way comfortable with that.

The second element is liquidity. It is self-evident that the institution got itself into difficulty, because it was essentially living beyond its means, and that position will not be recovered overnight. While the financial recovery plan is being implemented and taken forward, the institution will gain a degree of further support, whether from commercial sources, the Government or a combination of the two.

As I have said, those elements are being progressed at pace. We ought now—famous last words—to be capable of moving into a phase in which a greater pace will be injected into taking the issue forward. Clearly, we now have an ask that we can assist the university with in whatever form. The voluntary severance scheme has finally been launched, which will allow that element to be progressed.

I commend Sir Alan Langlands and his team for their patience and commitment. The task force is conducting specific workstreams to assist the university, and its members have had no shortage of appetite for that, for which I commend them. However, they have needed information and encouragement in order to deliver in the way that they would hope to, and they are now taking that work forward.

With regard to progressing the matter and bringing things to a head—if that is the correct term—there is the Gillies report, which is due to be published next week. Primarily, it will be for the SFC, which commissioned the report, to respond to it, but the university will also have to respond to the findings. As I understand it, at lunchtime on the day of the report’s publication, the university will hold a town hall meeting with its staff to give them an insight into what the review has found and, I would hope, any actions that the university feels that it is necessary to take in the immediate term.

As I have said previously at committee, it is also for the Government to reflect on the report’s findings. If there are any clear issues related to governance and oversight which will have repercussions and ramifications beyond the University of Dundee, the Government will consider them. As I have said before, the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill will provide a vehicle for us to consider introducing further powers for the SFC, or whatever, in legislation. We await the report.