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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

None of the measures alone gives us enough refinement or gets us to the target. We are going to have to be very smart about developing a full range of measures to enable, if we can, our reaching the target.

We are not resetting the target—it is in place—but to answer your question I note that we are making sure that, underneath the target, we can look at the country and satisfy ourselves that we are doing a far better job of reaching all the young people who would qualify for admission, rather than, as was alluded to earlier, GCU and UWS admissions making up such a large proportion of the target. They would still make up a large proportion in the target’s delivery, but we need to satisfy ourselves that we are delivering an agenda by which we reach far more young people, particularly in the rural and island areas that we are missing at the moment.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

Given the impetus behind this activity—I should add that the commissioner sits on our forum with the universities, and that he advises us—I would look to respond more quickly than we did last year. However, I should also point out that I do not, of course, know what is in his report. I have given you the reasons why last year was different.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

I did not.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

Again, the difficulty is what the vehicle is for doing that, because of the data-sharing issue. I will give you an insight into the depth that we have gone into on the issue. We have considered whether it might be possible, as a stop-gap measure, for individual local authorities to establish similar relationships with their local universities. The difficulty that arises is that, if it were doable—it would take a bit of resource and time on their part—it would affect only that relationship. In other words, it would not be open to the whole of Scotland, so, for example, the universities in Glasgow or Edinburgh could not dip into the information that Aberdeen holds.

It sounds like I am constantly coming up with excuses—I am not. I am coming up with the barriers that we are all working to overcome. The committee might have thoughts that we have not come up with collectively, and I would be interested to hear those.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

That touches on a wider issue that is occupying a lot of my time in the area of reform—the careers advice that is available to our young people. We intend to make some changes to tackle some of the points that you have just made. There is an issue about our young people being entirely equipped to make the decisions that they are going to make about their futures.

On the point about young people not knowing that you can go to university through college, that is the right route for a number of young people. I met a number of apprentices this week in the context of Scottish apprenticeship week, and they were telling me that it was not through the advice that they had been given at school that they had ended up in their current roles—and they were really enjoying them. There is undoubtedly some work to do there.

Mr Mason, both you and Mr Briggs have reminded me that we need to do a piece of work in the context of the forum but away from the forum: to sit and engage with young people on this topic, as you have done, so as to understand their experiences and to help inform our thinking. I will take that point away.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

Can I take that question away and reflect on it? It is a fair question.

We talked earlier about the input to our thinking around widening access for young people. We have not talked to young people, but the committee did so on Monday night. We probably need to engage better with that group, especially if their only representative group no longer exists to advocate for them. Let me take that away and think about what we can do in that space, and I will write back to the committee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

Indeed, but that is a wider issue than the widening of access.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

The sum of money that you are talking about reflects money that was available from an underspend in financial transactions. That is how the £15 million figure was added. That figure was announced, as it ought to be, to the Parliament first. Thereafter, it falls to the SFC to have discussions with the relevant parties.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

We talked earlier with Ms Duncan-Glancy about finite resources. I absolutely understand the commitments that were made to look at that scheme. As you are aware, Mr Greer, a fresh look was taken at it last year for a number of reasons, not the least of which was cost. In some respects, the costs are indeterminate because it is difficult to predict how many estranged students would look to take that scheme up. We know that some universities are already doing something in that space.

It is not possible, principally on financial grounds, to commit to doing that at the moment, but I recognise the need.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

That is right.