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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Graeme Dey

I think that that would be quite a useful exercise, and we would be happy to engage with you on it. We might spot things that you have not spotted and perhaps be helpful in that way. I think that it would be useful for the Parliament to have that guidance, so I am happy to commit to working closely with the committee on it.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Graeme Dey

I will bring in one of the officials to give you some detail on that, but I absolutely get the general point. When I was previously in post, we introduced a cover note for SSIs that explained on one side of A4 what the regulations set out to do, because they are very technical and are often written in lawyer speak, which is not always easy for the layperson to understand.

I think that the point about assumed knowledge is a very good one, although the example that you have highlighted predates my time, and I was not alive to it. However, I will bring in officials to respond, because it is a really important issue.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Graeme Dey

I will ask the officials to talk about the process that we put in place to address that.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Graeme Dey

As I have said, I look forward to working with the committee. We have committed to writing back to you over a period of time on various issues, but if there is anything that the committee feels that it wants to advise us further on, we will be happy to look at that. I am thinking, in particular, of the piece of work that Mr Kidd suggested.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Graeme Dey

I will ask officials to come in on some of the detail that you asked about but, as a general point, although I absolutely understand the frustration of Parliament about this, some of the issues that we have had are the result of an improved relationship with the UK Government. Concerns that have been raised by the Scottish Government and the Scottish Parliament about proposals have led to amendments and bills, and that has created issues with the LCM process. I am not trying to make excuses or to defend that but, in some ways, it is the consequence of improved working. However, of course we want the process to be better. I would much rather see LCMs going to committees than straight to Parliament. The committee should have the opportunity for scrutiny.

As to the direct conversations that have been taking place, perhaps my officials can expand on that.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Graeme Dey

And no committees, either.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Graeme Dey

The premise of your question is that, from early April until, potentially, the end of May, there will be no committees.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Graeme Dey

I am sure that officials have been thinking about that.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Graeme Dey

I will bring in officials to respond in detail on engagement, but, as a general point, it always feels like this at this stage in a parliamentary session, but, actually, the volume of bills, particularly Government bills, is no higher than it has been in previous parliamentary sessions. The volume of members’ bills is perhaps slightly higher than in previous sessions, but it is still fairly comparable. One of the complicating factors in this parliamentary session, as experienced colleagues around the room might recognise, is that committees have been taking longer at stage 2. There have been additional evidence sessions, and some stage 3 sittings have also been taking longer, as we can see from this week’s business. That has increased the sense that the pressure is greater than it was in the past. In strict number terms, it is not, but we are alive to the demands that some committees are facing. Steven MacGregor or Claire Trail might be able to talk about the engagement that happens.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Graeme Dey

That is a difficult question to answer, Mr Kidd, other than by assuring you that we are going to do everything that we can to avoid such situations. As I said earlier, particularly with supplementary LCMs, that is a consequence of more collaborative and constructive working with the UK Government, which I think we would all welcome.

I hope to have meetings with UK Government ministers in short order, and one of the topics will be what we can do collectively to try to improve the situation.

Again, as I said to Roz McCall on another topic, I do not have any magic wand for addressing this, but in our conversations with UK ministers, we will reiterate the views of the DPLR Committee, as they have been expressed to date.