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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

I am not aware that we have asked, but we absolutely do not recognise that number.

I will explain for the benefit of the committee and wider stakeholders what we did. We outlined the range of possible costs, from extremely optimistic to extremely pessimistic, and we are currently working through what the actual cost will be. We anticipate being able to furnish the committee with that detail in due course, and certainly before stage 2.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

It is a complex issue that requires a lot of detail that we cannot currently access. However, we are working on that. I did not want to come to the committee—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

Do you want to answer that, Jess?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

The colleges were already participating in such activity under the regional model. One area that I explored yesterday—I have done this in a number of forums—was the need to ensure that, if economic planning is taking place in an area in relation to things such as city deals or green freeports, or at a more localised level, the cost that might be incurred by the colleges is factored in, and additionality is provided to meet the additional asks of colleges in specific areas. That was one of the issues that we discussed yesterday.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

Extensive work is under way not only to protect the concept of UHI but to future proof it. A little while after I came into post, I met UHI central—if you want to call it that—which outlined a vision of what reform might look like. I had some concerns about that—you might have done, too—because I wanted UHI to ensure that the voices of the local colleges that are involved in delivery were heard and so on.

12:15  

To UHI’s credit, it has done exactly that. An extensive piece of redesign work is going on. I am heartened that it appears to be taking people with it on the journey, which is essential.

Again, the process has taken longer than I would have wanted, but I anticipate that UHI will come back to the Government as soon as it has been able to firm up the proposal. It will have a business case for us to consider, but I am keen that we do whatever we can, at pace, to support UHI in ensuring that the concept is absolutely protected in a way that is sustainable for the long term. That work is on-going across the colleges concerned.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

I will write back to you on that. We are in UHI’s hands when it comes to delivery, which will be determined by the pace at which it can get agreement on all that. I will reflect on that and come back to you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Graeme Dey

This Government is absolutely committed to enhancing the apprenticeship offering in all its guises, whether it be, for example, modern apprenticeships or graduate apprenticeships. There is an absolute commitment. The apprenticeship offering is critical to the needs of the economy, and we are in the business of improving it.

As for your initial point, Mr Rennie, I would just caution that we should await the Pamela Gillies report on Dundee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

I do not entirely accept that description. A number of things were done on the back of the review. For example, there is currently a pilot online application service for students to apply for disabled students allowance, which is on track to be rolled out this year. Some work has been done on updating the student portal. However, I accept that there have been issues. I hope that those who might be viewing that element of the consultation with a degree of cynicism recognise that I would not commit to it if I were not serious about delivering on it. I am keen that we engage properly on this.

There are a number of areas. We have done well with care-experienced students, but we can perhaps do better. You and I have previously discussed apprenticeships, Ms Duncan-Glancy. I am not convinced that we are doing enough in that space. It is my commitment, in the year that I have remaining in the Parliament, to do as much as I can to identify what more might be required. That should be informed by the lived experience of those who have gone through the system or are attempting to navigate the system.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

We are always looking at what works elsewhere. I know that my officials have been talking to their counterparts in the UK, Wales and Northern Ireland Governments, but the set-ups are not comparable. A fundamental change would be required, perhaps through primary legislation, in order to enable us to do that, which is the frustration here.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Widening Access to Higher Education

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graeme Dey

The reality is that I am trying to exhaust all the options to see whether we can do this. In reality, given the time that is left in this parliamentary session, it is pretty unlikely that primary legislation could be passed before the conclusion of the session, so it might fall to the next one. However, we hope that we could get in such a measure before that, because of the 2026 target and the 2030 target.