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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 October 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

It is a pity that George Adam is not here, because he would without a doubt have been interested in those Paisley stories.

We have heard from others—and, indeed, from the witnesses here today—about bureaucracies and that, sometimes, the system is still process driven. The legislation itself is good, but when it comes to implementation, things can still be process driven. We have also heard that the tender documents, the putting together of the contract and the commissioning can be good but, when the lawyers and the accountants get a hold of it all, everything changes. What is your experience of some of the risk-averse situations that come into play when, say, lawyers and accountants get a hold of all of this? That question is for Lindsey Millen.

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

You mentioned people, which is the key thing in all this. You talked earlier about delivering for the people of Scotland. Are people—the populace at large—utilised enough in some of the commissioning work, particularly specialist commissioning work that has an impact on their day-to-day lives?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

I wonder whether David Livey or Duncan Thorp want to pick up on those questions.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

I am surprised that your members have not come up with some of them. I wonder whether Duncan Thorp has anything.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

Duncan, do you have anything to add?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

Let me give you an example, and it might be something that you have come across. At certain points—although not so much recently—there has been a real aversion to putting fair work into contracts, with lawyers saying to folks, “We cannot really enforce this” or “We might be challenged on this.” There was also the European ruling—Rüffert v Land Niedersachsen. What is your feeling about aversion in that area and has it been overcome to the degree that you would like it to have been?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

Basically, people are short-term bean counting instead of necessarily looking at the whole-life costs.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

Has the Scottish Government carried out enough equality and human rights impact assessments of the cuts to budgets that have been imposed on us by the UK Treasury?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

Good morning, minister. Part of your job is to challenge ministers to ensure that equalities and human rights are embedded in everything that they do. You have talked about the workshops that have taken place. I know that there are many other fora in which those issues come to the fore. How do you feel about where we are at in respect of mainstreaming equalities and human rights in all that the Government does?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

Maybe you could bring that back to the committee, because I am interested in seeing an assessment of what damage the cuts from the UK Treasury have done.

Minister, as you well know, I am very interested in ensuring that the voices of people with lived experience are at the heart of policy making. When that happens we are much better at taking account of equalities and human rights impacts. I know that it is sometimes difficult to allow for that because of one-year budgeting and because the Government is unaware of the amount of block grant until very late on—if an indication is given—but how do you feel about listening to the voices of people with lived experience when it comes to budget making? I am not talking about the large stakeholders; I am talking about the input of the average Joe and Josephine.