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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Kevin Stewart

Craig Fergusson mentioned the two ominous words “standing orders”. We could probably have a week-long session on council standing orders when it comes to procurement. With that, convener, I think that I had better stop.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

Grand. Martin, do you have anything to add on bureaucracy?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

Thank you very much.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

So there is still a difficulty in some places and areas of business, in that the accountants and solicitors are probably too much in the driving seat rather than those who are on the front line.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

I would not disagree with any of that, either. However, you have given a lot of the positives, but is there still too much interference and what is sometimes the bureaucratic nonsense of accountants and solicitors who do not have the experience of what is required on the front line for people?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

Risk aversion is one of the things that is mentioned a fair amount and you have given some good examples. Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

Fair pay often ensures that absence rates and other things go down, as can taking account of folk’s caring responsibilities. Is enough work being done on that in procurement?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

I will play devil’s advocate, given the answer that Pauline Gordon has just given us. As an MSP, I have heard on numerous occasions that a good piece of work has been done in commissioning, which has led to procurement, and then the procurement has become process driven. Folk say that the accountants and solicitors are more in the driving seat than the folks who actually know what is required on the front line. Is that still a difficulty that is encountered regularly?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

It is a pity that George Adam is not here, because he would without a doubt have been interested in those Paisley stories.

We have heard from others—and, indeed, from the witnesses here today—about bureaucracies and that, sometimes, the system is still process driven. The legislation itself is good, but when it comes to implementation, things can still be process driven. We have also heard that the tender documents, the putting together of the contract and the commissioning can be good but, when the lawyers and the accountants get a hold of it all, everything changes. What is your experience of some of the risk-averse situations that come into play when, say, lawyers and accountants get a hold of all of this? That question is for Lindsey Millen.

11:30  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Kevin Stewart

You mentioned people, which is the key thing in all this. You talked earlier about delivering for the people of Scotland. Are people—the populace at large—utilised enough in some of the commissioning work, particularly specialist commissioning work that has an impact on their day-to-day lives?