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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 October 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Kevin Stewart

Will Mr Balfour give way?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Kevin Stewart

We do not mirror everything that is happening south of the border. For example, look at the investment in the Scottish child payment and the fact that benefits here have risen above inflation, which has not happened south of the border.

However, we also have to deal with the realities. As I said earlier, Mr Balfour is a supporter of the union. That is up to him, but he also has to recognise that the actions of the UK Treasury have implications for spend here in Scotland. When £160 million disappears, that does not leave much room for manoeuvre, and it certainly does not leave any room for the expansion of benefits or for further mitigation. I think that Mr Balfour has to deal with that reality.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Social Security (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Kevin Stewart

I do not think that amendment 6 would be completely unreasonable if Parliament had full control over finance, which we do not. All roads lead to Westminster, as Wes Streeting said during the election campaign.

I am quite sure that the cabinet secretary would wish to support the amendment in other circumstances. Of course, under her watch, devolved benefits have increased by more than inflation recently. However, we have to recognise that the UK Treasury still holds the purse strings. There have been some surprises of late, and there might be more to come, given that the Prime Minister has said that things are only going to get worse.

The reality is that the cabinet secretary and I have no idea what future block grant provision will look like. We would be asking the Scottish Government to ensure that everything rose by the rate of inflation, not knowing whether we would get the block grant required to be able to do that. That is a simple fact. I point out again that, as a supporter of the union, Mr Balfour is quite happy for the UK Treasury to hold those purse strings. I am not, but, while we live in that world, the amendment puts the cabinet secretary and the Scottish Government in an almost impossible position, because they do not know what future financial provision there will be from the UK Treasury.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Kevin Stewart

But that decision making has an impact on the Scottish Government’s fiscal position, Professor Roy.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Kevin Stewart

The point about clear signalling is important. Is it sometimes difficult for clear signalling to be given, because the views of the Scottish and UK Governments often diverge? Is it often difficult to give clear signalling when, in some areas, Government has not made the moves that would attract investment? Let us take the example of hydrogen production. The lack of movement from the UK Government on regulation of the storage and transportation of hydrogen is obviously an impediment to investment. That clear signalling that you talk about is not there. How do we improve that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Kevin Stewart

Professor Roy, given divergence and differences between the two Governments—for example, you highlighted the differences between investment in peatland and in forestry—how do we ensure that there is clear signalling from both of them? Does the UK Government have to allow flexibility in the fiscal framework to ensure that we get a bigger bang for our buck in the move to net zero, UK-wide, by investing in Scotland, so that we can achieve some of the things that the rest of the UK cannot?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Kevin Stewart

There is, of course, another alternative, but you will not be able to comment on that either.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Kevin Stewart

Thank you very much, Professor Roy, I will not take the opportunity, on the 10th anniversary of the independence referendum, to talk more about the other pathway.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Kevin Stewart

Thank you, Professor Roy. You are selling Aberdeen very well—better than some of the folk from the area, who often take a much more pessimistic line.

Professor Bell, I want to concentrate on planning, policy and data, because it is extremely important that we get those aspects right. Earlier, we discussed the transferability of skills. Aberdeen and the north-east are awash with immensely skilled people. However, you said that skills development in the area has come too late. How do we change that at UK level, as far as investment is concerned? How can we also get it right at Scotland level, so that we manage the just transition and do not put folk from the oil and gas industry, and others, on the scrap heap, as happened to the miners a number of years back?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Kevin Stewart

Both of you have highlighted in your answers to earlier questions that attracting the right people requires investment by not only the Government but the private sector. If we do not have such planning, and do not get it absolutely right, will not the private sector be much more averse to making such investments?