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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

Good morning to you all. Charlie McMillan mentioned listening. I have spent quite a lot of time listening, not just during the course of this inquiry, but over the years, including listening to the voices of lived experience—including Project Search in my constituency, as Carmel McKeogh well knows. During the course of this inquiry and previously, the young folk I have listened to have been able to point out clearly what does not work.

Charlie, again, I think, talked of a disjointed system. Carmel talked about the difficulties with access to work. I have heard previously from Scottish Autism and others about that inability to bring budgets together to make something work for an individual. In all this, should we take a person-centred approach to dealing with individuals to meet their needs and aspirations? Moreover, should access to work be devolved and made less bureaucratic?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

So that hardwiring prevents folks from even being able to consider the question that you asked earlier, which is “Where do you see yourself?” As Carmel McKeogh said earlier, that hardwiring can actually lower the expectations of parents, too. Is that a fair comment?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

We won that argument in Aberdeen with you and Norma Curran from Values Into Action Scotland. Is there a lack of understanding among some funding organisations—let us not name any—about the additional costs that they will face to deal with folk when they reach crisis point because they canna live the lives that they want to live. Do we all have a job to do to ensure that folk look at the preventative spend agenda, rather than spending lots of money in crisis, with the human cost that goes along with that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

Heather Fisken, are the voices of lived experience extremely important in helping to eradicate some of those perceptions?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

Angela, do you want to comment on how we get rid of those perceptions?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

My final question basically requires a yes or no answer—I think that I can guess which one it will be. There has been a lot of talk about the difficulties with the access to work system. It sounds as though it is very clunky and bureaucratic and that it does not take into account individuals’ needs. Do those who are involved in the access to work system need to listen to the voices of lived experience—whether they be employees or employers—in order to shape a more personalised system that would work much better for all? What do you think—yes or no?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

Good morning. I will not keep you too long, because I know that you have been grilled for quite some time this morning.

I want to concentrate on some points that have already been made. Chirsty McFadyen talked about what is in the minds of folks in terms of employers, and Angela Matthews talked about perceptions.

How do we change folks’ minds and employers’ minds? How do we get rid of the perceptions that exist around employing disabled people? What should we do in order to get the voices of lived experience in all that, so that people—employers or employees—can give their positive experiences about work?

Since I mentioned you first, Chirsty, maybe you would like to answer first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

I have been talking about Project Search for quite some time, and we know quite a bit about it, so you do not need to go into depth, but the quote would be useful.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

Thank you. Vikki, the last time that I was out with one of your FSB colleagues in my patch in Aberdeen, one of the businesses that we went to was the Bread Maker, which has an immense reputation. It employs a lot of disabled people, and people know that, which I think is very good for the business. The fact that the Bread Maker is such a good employer, along with the quality of its products, attracts a lot of folk.

How does the FSB highlight the major advantages that employing disabled people can bring?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Kevin Stewart

That is pretty loud and clear on that front. I thank you all for your time this morning.