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I would have expected to see it before now, Mr Lumsden. Anybody who submits such a number must have the workings behind it, but we do not have them and I do not recognise the figure of £1.5 billion. Now that those questions have been asked by the committee, I hope that we can all see the workings behind the £1.5 billion figure.

As I have said, we will provide the committee with as much information on that as we can as soon as we can.

I disagree that we are throwing the baby out with the bath water. We want to ensure that, where service delivery is good, we export it across the board, and the national high-quality standards will ensure that we are able to do that.

Again, I come back to the issue of accountability. People who are being cared for and supported on a daily basis do not feel that the accountability is right; they do not feel that it is right at a local level, and they want accountability at a national level. We need to listen to that. I always look for the best in everything so that we can replicate it where necessary, and the national care standards would give us the ability to do that across the board. However, that also allows for flexibility in delivery at a local level.

Many things that we have discussed today will come into play during the co-design process. If nothing else, I hope that many members of the public and stakeholders will play a part in helping us get it right as we move forward.

We know that there are financial challenges. You mentioned the emergency budget review; it would be better for us all if there was some more clarity from the United Kingdom Treasury about public spending as we move forward.

We know that, in the system that we have, huge sums of money are spent on dealing with crisis. We need to change that and ensure that, for the future, we invest in more preventative care. That will free up the resources that are currently spent on crisis, which also has a huge human cost attached to it.

As I am sure that the committee is well aware, the Government has also said that we will increase our social care spend by some £840 million by the end of the parliamentary session. We all know that we will have to get things right for the future, particularly if there continues to be restraint on the public purse. That is why we cannot stand still.

What we are proposing is not change for change’s sake. We are setting up a social care system that is fit for the future to deliver for the people of Scotland.

My door is open to local government. I will listen to what it has to say on many of these issues, and we will act accordingly. As I have said, much local authority care provision is of high quality and we would not want to see that go.

I disagree with SOLACE on that point. I have seen estimates of possible costs from others, with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities itself estimating that the costs will be in excess of £1.5 billion, which it says outstrips the pledge of £840 million of investment. I am not sure where COSLA and others have got these estimates from. I am more than happy to go through those estimates with them in depth, but we have not had sight of them and I would be happy to take an overview in that respect.

The other aspect that I should highlight is that the recommendations in the independent review are pretty wide ranging and include not only the national care service but changes to other policies that are not necessary covered in the NCS. For example, the review has a great deal to say about charging policies and other supports for carers. I reiterate that each individual recommendation in the review has been and will continue to be subject to further policy work and financial assessment as well as economic appraisal, which I know the committee will be interested in, too.

The numbers in the financial memorandum are not compatible with COSLA’s calculations, but I am more than willing for COSLA to explain its workings to me. Equally, we will explain our workings to it and see where we can come to an agreement on some of these issues.

No, I do not necessarily agree with that. One of the things that the Government and, I am sure, the committee have spoken about on numerous occasions—Parliament has certainly discussed this at length over time—is shared services, co-operation and collaboration as a means of doing our best in delivering for the public, which is, ultimately, what we are all about.

I recognise—I have heard first hand—that certain quarters have concerns about the aspects that you have described. The other week, Ms Bell and I were in Shetland for a huge conversation on the national care service and the impact on Shetland. We will continue to listen and we will we do all that we can to ensure that there is no detriment.

You are right to point out the challenges. The scenario that you raise could lead to a huge number of opportunities for shared services and ensure that we are doing our level best to deliver for the public of Scotland.

Convener, I have said to many committees before that I am a man who does not like unintended consequences, and that is why we will dig deep into all of this.

I have great respect for the alliance and its views. However, I am unable at the moment to quantify how much it costs to collect data, which is often quite disparate and can be very difficult in some regards. We need to get better at that, and one of our ambitions is to streamline data collection and make it better.

In all this, in order to support data improvement and to benefit from data, one of our main planks in the bill is investment in the workforce so that we get this right as we move on. Again, I am more than happy to speak to the alliance where it thinks there might be difficulties but, equally, we would have to go back and say that some of the cumbersome processes that have grown probably take a lot more time than a streamlined system of data collection would.

An average that was based on the forecasts that were available was used when the financial memorandum was written. We understand that more recent Scottish Fiscal Commission forecasts are now available, and estimates will use the updated profile. We have seen a massive change in inflation in a very short period of time, which many of us could never have predicted. As we all know, inflation is very volatile at present and has moved markedly since the estimates in the financial memorandum. Our financial modelling will continue to reflect the most recent inflation rates, and we will update accordingly as we move forward. With that, I will bring in Fiona Bennett.

Let me assure you that we will update the financial memorandum and that, as we move forward with the formulation of the business cases, we will continue to take account of the current financial and economic circumstances, including inflation.

The committee is well aware that the financial memorandum and the business cases are not in themselves budgets. Budgetary decisions on spend will have to take place in the normal way in this Parliament, as you would expect.