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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

I apologise for being late to the committee this morning, which was due to the traffic. Much of what I was going to ask about has been touched on. However, I want to ask a couple of specific questions, the first of which goes to John Boland.

A couple of times, you have mentioned the need for a universal training passport so that people can come from the oil and gas industry into—predominantly—offshore wind. Can you give us an idea of the cost for somebody who is trying to make the transition without the universal training passport?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Given that we already produce more electricity than we can use in Scotland, we have the capability to export that electricity or use it for hydrogen production. We are already one step ahead, in the sense that we have that surplus. The potential to export to Germany was mentioned earlier—I am thinking of the HyLion project that the Scottish Government has announced. How do we get investors interested, given that we have the energy hub, this excess of wind-generated electricity and a potential project to export hydrogen to Germany in liquid form?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Does anybody else want to come in on that? Maggie?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Thank you very much.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

During the transition period, which will go on for a reasonably long time, especially since the UK Government has made available more licences for oil and gas, we will have to juggle the need for workers in the oil and gas industry for the next 10 or 20 years with the need for workers for offshore wind, which is proving to be successful. We generate surplus electricity in Scotland, which we send south of the border. There is also huge scope for hydrogen.

Colin Beattie touched on the difficulty in attracting enough workers. I am aware that only 36 per cent of workers in the oil and gas industry in the UK are in Scotland. What is the UK Government doing to try to tackle the problem, given that only 36 per cent of oil and gas workers are in Scotland?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

My second point is about oil and gas workers’ transferable skills. If they do not have work in the UK, they can go to Gabon, Venezuela or all over the world, and vice versa—people can come here. The Offshore Energies UK report highlighted that in recent years, 27 per cent of EU workers in the North Sea have left and 54 per cent of non-EU workers have left, which is around about 3,000 jobs in total. What needs to change in the UK immigration system to attract workers so that we can juggle the three balls of offshore wind, oil and gas, and hydrogen?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 6 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Would you support that element of the just transition fund increasing over the 10 years in which the fund will be in place?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 6 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Alasdair Ross, is voting for projects and so on the most effective way to allocate funds?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 6 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

I have a final question, which is for Jim Grant. Moray Council’s written submission says:

“Projects funded which have a region wide remit are perhaps finding it difficult to engage with areas such as Moray with which they have had no previous connections for delivery of services meaning the benefit may be concentrated in Aberdeen.”

Can you elaborate on that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 6 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Thank you very much.