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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

I want to ask you about a couple of comments in section 5.1 of your report, which is entitled

“Path dependency: what are we transitioning to?”

In that section, you refer to

“an academic/third sector consortium”

that said that there was a difficulty in breaking

“the path dependency between economic development and oil and gas related industries”,

with

“considerable resistance to doing so from companies, governments and communities, largely due to concerns and uncertainties over costs and impacts.”

You also quote the chief executive of Aberdeen and Grampian Chamber of Commerce, who said:

“no one is going to come in and pick up things like floating offshore wind, hydrogen, carbon capture, etcetera, because right now it is not commercially viable.”

How do we ensure a just transition? How do we manage the move from oil and gas to renewables? What support is required from either the Scottish or UK Government?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

We are often told that Scotland has two Governments. Whose responsibility would it be to encourage that manufacturing? Who has the levers that would encourage the manufacturing of offshore wind turbines and so on?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Morning, minister. On Murdo Fraser’s point, I remind folk that the Conservative Government in the 1980s tried to stop boycotts against apartheid South Africa. We should remember that.

Amnesty International, in its evidence to the UK Parliament, highlights that Scotland is attempting to

“use the leverage of public procurement to incentivise companies to behave sustainably with regard to human rights, labour rights and the environment.”

Similarly, Human Rights Watch said that, if the bill comes into operation,

“The effect could be to hamper these groups from taking steps in business dealings to avoid causing or contributing to human rights abuses and international crimes.”

The Local Government Association in England has raised concerns, and Universities UK has raised concerns about freedom of speech and so on. My question to you is this: what would be the potential impact on the procurement policy or pension fund investment decisions of councils or universities if this bill were to become law?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Economic Activity of Public Bodies (Overseas Matters) Bill

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Thank you very much.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

We already have the energy hub in Aberdeen and the north-east and we have touched on oil and gas, offshore wind and wave technology and so on. However, I want to continue with questions about hydrogen.

Paul de Leeuw said earlier that there was £200 billion of investment available, with £100 billion already placed. Some of that £100 billion has been spent in places such as China, America, Chile and Germany, but there is no mention of the UK. Meanwhile, the top 10 producers of green hydrogen are forecast to be the countries that I have mentioned as well as Morocco, Canada and Egypt—again, no mention of the UK. How attractive is Scotland—or, indeed, the UK—to green hydrogen investors?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Suzanne, you said earlier that we need certainty and a clear road map to get the investment we require. Does either the Scottish Government or the UK Government have to do anything else to get us to the point that Paul de Leeuw has described?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

The call has been about what the Scottish Government should do. I am saying that in the oil and gas industry in the UK—whether the split is 50/50 or the UK Government’s figure of 36 per cent is right—a lot of the workers in oil and gas are not in Scotland, but are elsewhere. What is the UK Government doing to tackle problems that face the energy industry?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Does anybody else want to come in?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Is there a need for foreign workers?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Gordon MacDonald

Gordon, to achieve this ambitious project that would deliver for Scotland, what additional skills would we need? What do you guys need for certainty?