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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 November 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Neil Bibby

You mentioned HES bringing in an independent HR team. We have talked about the need for a cultural review of the organisation and have heard about individual processes that need to be followed before that takes place. For clarity, would a cultural review of the organisation be an independent review?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Neil Bibby

You mention learning lessons about how this has come to pass. Do you think that it is just a HES problem? Are there similar issues in other parts of the culture sector or the public sector? Maybe not to the same extent, but—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Neil Bibby

I was asking because we have had a lot of discussion today about problems at the top, but the staff on the ground and throughout the organisation are obviously working hard in difficult circumstances. A meeting may be something to consider.

We have talked a lot about the culture in the organisation. I want to ask about financial planning and financial management. You said that the organisation is “commercially successful”. I have raised concerns previously with HES about financial planning in relation to financial strategies and pay awards, and whether the organisation was budgeting sufficiently for pay awards that were in line with public sector pay policy. Concerns have also been raised previously about changes to pay grades. To what extent are you reassured about HES when it comes to financial planning and financial management? It has, I think, a £73 million budget from Scottish Government.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Neil Bibby

Good morning. Just on that last point, it has been reported that a group of staff is now considering legal action against HES and the Scottish Government for failures under the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 and the Equality Act 2010. How concerned are you that the Scottish Government could be facing legal action?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Neil Bibby

Thank you. I have two final questions. There have been a lot of discussions about what meetings you have held, cabinet secretary, and with whom. Have you met, or are you planning to meet, the HES trade union representatives?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Neil Bibby

Thank you.

I will go back to the earlier questions about meetings that you have had with HES. I understand what you said about not having meetings with the board of HES previously. I think that you said that you would accept the invitation to attend a board meeting in future, but you have not requested an invitation so far. If one is not forthcoming, will you request an invitation to attend a HES board meeting? Notwithstanding the fact that you have not attended previously and that, obviously, your officials have been working on the issue, will you request an invitation to attend future board meetings that are coming up, given everything that is going on, so that you can see that for yourself and meet the board yourself?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Sporting Events of National Interest

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Neil Bibby

We have talked a lot about the balance between accessibility and cash, and the impact on young people. We obviously want to showcase the game—the men’s game, the women’s game—to the next generation to inspire them to get involved in football. Equally, it is not just about that, because we want to provide them with the youth coaching opportunities to enable them to be the footballers of the future. There is a difficult balance to be struck: we all want matches to be free to air and we all want to ensure that there are proper resources for Scottish football.

At the moment, we have free-to-air qualifiers on the BBC, and we have the resource that follows from that. I think that George Adam described that as the best of both worlds. Is that the optimum situation?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Neil Bibby

Do you not think that, if Audit Scotland is looking at the culture of the organisation, it may assist that inquiry if HES showed that it was turning a corner or trying to address the issues itself and ordering its own independent culture review?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Neil Bibby

You do not think that there are any issues with transparency when HES provides a one-line answer that does not go into the detail of the answer that you just gave me.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Neil Bibby

Good morning, Sir Mark and Mr Davis. First, I reiterate other members’ acknowledgement of the fact that you are new to your role, Sir Mark. I, too, wish you well with resolving the very many issues that there are in the organisation. However, I also make clear that I think that we need to see decisive action being taken quickly to resolve those issues.

I will follow on from Mr Harvie’s point about responding to media reports. Our Scottish Parliament information centre briefing today helpfully points out that:

“There have been a range of media reports that have highlighted concerns over governance issues and the internal culture at HES. At the time of writing, HES has not published a formal response or statement on any of these issues on the News section of its website.”

Given everything that has been in the public domain and all the issues and allegations, why is that the case? Why has an organisation that is facing so many allegations, concerns and issues not published on its website a response to the very many issues that have been raised? Is that a deliberate strategy? What does it say about the culture of HES that no response to any of the allegations has been put on the website?