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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You are saying that you just do not recognise that power imbalance.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Okay. I will come to my question for SAAS in a minute, but first of all I want to turn to the Scottish Funding Council. You say that you will prioritise apprenticeships, but let us consider the power that universities—and, to a lesser extent, colleges—hold versus that of the individuals and smaller companies who benefit from apprenticeships, and let us also compare the scale of the funding. If there were a crisis in some part of the other areas for which you are responsible—in other words, colleges or universities—you would surely be under enormous pressure to take funding from apprenticeships to plug that hole. Knowing the balance of power across the various areas that you fund, you cannot tell me that apprenticeships will not be vulnerable if there are problems elsewhere.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

We have the bill to consider, though.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You can see why we have a problem. Authoritative people, whom we respect, are telling us one thing, but you are telling us another—there is no coming together at all.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

That is pretty dismissive of a Government-sanctioned report that has been embraced by ministers and has been implemented in legislation. Can you really call it an opinion piece?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Publish the stuff that you have told ministers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Do not worry; that is fine.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Frankly, our concern is that the system is not responding to the crisis, and not just in Dundee, because Dundee is not a one-off. I think that it has been subtly acknowledged that there is a wider problem with the sector, but our concern is that you are not helping to expose that wider problem by having a public debate. Your having had that private discussion with ministers means that we are not able—not just months delayed—to have that urgent debate about the future of our universities, which are under extreme stress.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

That has not come up with your members?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Nigel, you are not responsible for the Funding Council, but you have a significant background in and significant knowledge of that sector. With the fire that is going on in higher and further education funding—I am referring to the likes of the situation at the University of Dundee—do you think the SFC has the headspace to be able to do this?