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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

For clarity, do you agree with Sheriff Mackie?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

My second question was going to be about grounds for referral, but you have given more detail on that. Do you wish to add anything on the grounds issue?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

Do you think that the Government is getting in the way, then?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

My final question, which is a more general one, follows on from the convener’s questions at the beginning of the session. Do you feel good about the progress that has been made on the Promise?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

So do you think that the Government should just be frank and admit that the Promise, in the terms in which it was originally set, will not be met by 2030? Do you think that we should just be frank with people, rather than continuing to kid ourselves that we will manage to achieve that target? Report after report tells us that we will not achieve it. We keep on hearing about the need for caution and realism and so on. Should we not just be honest with people and admit that the Promise that was made in 2020 will not be met by 2030, as was promised?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

Mr Trainer, your organisation has been quite critical of the current

“confrontational and not child centred”

approach of the children’s hearings system. Sheriff Mackie has said something similar and has indicated that he would like to see a change of culture. Do you think that that is enough? If not, what more needs to be done?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

Does anybody else want to come in on this issue?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

But trust is really important. The young people we are talking about do not trust very many people. Even if we came up with all the money that was necessary, the process would still have to be managed in a realistic way with the people you have. Therefore, even if the money was all there, would you manage to meet the Promise by 2030?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Willie Rennie

You have all expressed caution. I have heard you talk about realism, managing expectations and being overly optimistic. We are already behind the curve on meeting the Promise by 2030—I do not think that anyone here today has said we are actually going to meet it by then, and you have said that a single bill will not move us forward towards meeting it. Are you saying that we are even further behind than we thought we were?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Willie Rennie

Your report last week was probably the clearest that you have been, but I think that you are still behind the curve, because other organisations have been warning about this in stark terms for some time now.

You are clearly not gonnae tell us today how many job losses and cuts in student numbers are needed, and how much more money will be required to avoid those job losses. I think that you will regret that, because you have statutory responsibilities—as you have set out—and because you have pulled your punches in previous years, and we have ended up in some difficulties as a result of that reluctance to be straight with Government and with the public about what is required.

If you are not going to tell us how many job losses there will be, by how much student numbers will be cut, and how much more money is required, will you at least tell us how urgent the situation is? When do you expect colleges and universities to start announcing plans for big changes? Are we talking weeks or months?