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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny and the Scottish Attainment Challenge

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Willie Rennie

When Humza Yousaf was a candidate to be First Minister, earlier this year, he told an SNP leadership hustings event about the private, voluntary and independent early learning and childcare sector. He said:

“I made it very clear, having engaged with the PVI sector, that we have to have an equitable funding formula.”

He went on to say that

“we have to nail down that fair funding formula, because they tell me that, if we don’t, a number of those in the sector will shut down, and we can’t have that.”

What progress has been made on that fair funding formula?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of Qualifications and Assessment

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Willie Rennie

I suppose that Fiona Robertson was setting out that there is a tension. There are tensions throughout this—I get that—but there is a tension between the choice for those people who will go down a particular path and the choice for others. A choice might have to be made as to whose interests are put first. Ultimately, this is about the timetable: can we get it to work? We are reducing teacher contact time, and extra elements will be brought into the timetable. Have you modelled that? I know that you are still at the high principle level, but have you modelled it to see how it would look and what the compromises would be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Independent Review of Qualifications and Assessment

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Willie Rennie

Okay. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Willie Rennie

You will have received communications and letters similar to the ones that I have received from primary school teachers who gave up other careers or have been really passionate about teaching young people and have had their dreams torn away from them. Some can only get a series of short-term contracts—in some cases, for up to six years—and others cannot find a job at all. We have not got it right just now, have we? I get that it is a difficult balancing act and that the situation goes in cycles, but it is particularly bad just now, is it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Willie Rennie

Why do we still have so many teachers on short-term contracts? Who wants to answer that? Douglas, do you want to have a go?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Willie Rennie

Do you recognise that there is a significant difference between the fees that are paid for council nurseries and those that are paid in the PVI sector?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Willie Rennie

The outcome seems to be that the PVI sector is losing significant numbers of experienced staff. It is not able to retain them because the sector cannot pay rates that are competitive with other the rates of other organisations inside or outside the sector. They are really worried about the sector’s future. Do you not recognise that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Willie Rennie

Does that make it any better?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Willie Rennie

To be honest, I am really disappointed by that response. Last year, Matthew Sweeney from COSLA acknowledged that there was a significant difference, and it was agreed, right at the beginning, between Government and local authorities that that would happen.

We see real threats to the sector now. The PVI bodies are getting staff, but they need to keep experienced staff. I worry about the integrity of bodies and that we will, perhaps, in the future get Care Inspectorate reports that indicate that we have not managed to keep up with the standards that you mentioned earlier. I am disappointed that you do not recognise that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Willie Rennie

In that light, do you think that we are educating too many primary school teachers?