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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Willie Rennie

As someone who seems incapable of persuading other people to my point of view, I have an interest in this area.

I return to the issue of knowledge. Some are very vocal and strident about the role of knowledge. I really want to understand where we are with that in practice. What is the scale of the problem? I understand the future threat, but where are we now? Is deviation from knowledge a real problem, and what do we need to do to fix it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Willie Rennie

Thank you for your excellent answers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Willie Rennie

I am interested in the panel members’ views on yesterday’s statement, particularly on the qualifications decision. I think there was a frustration among us because we thought that we were going to get some kind of move forward, but we are getting a new debate in the new year. Perhaps Professor Humes could go first.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Willie Rennie

I encourage the others to comment on what the cabinet secretary said about the reasons for the move. She talked about issues around behaviour post-Covid and the challenge of the poverty-related attainment gap. Basically, she said, “We have enough on our plate just now and we need to consider whether we should move forward when all those other things are going on.” Is there any merit in that argument, Dr Brown?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Willie Rennie

Dr Marsha Scott, from Scottish Women’s Aid, made the important point that an awful lot of the young women who are in secure units are there on welfare grounds. There is a gender issue here, and the vulnerability is even more significant in those cases.

I take the assurances that you have given us this morning, and we will wait to hear more about that at a later stage. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Willie Rennie

Victim Support Scotland made it quite clear last week that it does not think that its discussions with you have been particularly fruitful or that its arguments have gained much traction so far. I hope that what the minister has just said is reflected going forward, so that Victim Support Scotland’s concerns are addressed at the heart of the bill, because that is a fundamental concern.

I think that the whole committee was pretty shaken by the really strong evidence that was provided last week. Witnesses did not quite say, “Stop the bill,” but they were not far away from it. That is a big concern for us, which is why we are being particularly difficult with you this morning. We just do not think that you have really got a grasp of the severity of the situation. This is a really important bill and we want to deliver on the Promise, but I have to say that, so far, we have not been convinced by what you have told us and there is an awful lot of work to be done.

Movement restriction conditions encapsulate all the problems that we have covered this morning. From finances to staffing capacity and the rights of victims, it is all wrapped up in that one area. One issue is how victims get information about movement restriction conditions to allow them to plan for their own safety. How can we make sure that that information is shared with victims?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Willie Rennie

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Willie Rennie

I am not asking you to go into huge detail; I am just asking you to deal with the point that my colleagues have raised, which is that the rights of victims in the system must be fully respected in the same way as the rights of those who are at the heart of the children’s hearings system. You have not really given us an indication that you are going to shift, and I think that you need to shift.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Willie Rennie

The single point of contact is not—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Willie Rennie

Before you do that, I just want to say that, although there was broad agreement about the need for a single point of contact, if that single point of contact cannot share the information that is necessary, it is pointless. The principle of sharing information and respecting the victim’s rights needs to be at the heart of this, or all the apparatus means nothing. I do not know whether Shona Spence can tell us more, but that is the fundamental point.