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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

I am anxious about that. First of all, on the message that you are sending, if you are saying that this is for those who are most in need and that there is going to be an assessment, it sounds like a filter, rather than just saying that there is a right to receive support. I am anxious about the distinction between the right to request an assessment and the right to receive support. It sounds like a budget-saving measure to limit the amount of support that is provided. Why not just bluntly say, “Everybody will have the right to receive support—full stop”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

Was there consultation with North Yorkshire Council?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

Whether the bill has been costed appropriately, whether there is a cliff edge—the fact that we will stop aftercare at a certain age—and whether eligibility is reaching far enough into different types of care-experienced people. I would quite like to address those issues.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

I will ask about aftercare. There is some concern about eligibility, funding and the cliff edge. Could you talk about some of the issues that have been raised and how you would address those concerns about aftercare?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

But does the bill specify that that support has to be provided? Local authorities can do a lot of things—they have the right to do all sorts of things—but are they compelled to provide that support?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

North Yorkshire Council is hailed as an exemplar in the United Kingdom for its right to return and its always here policy, which, simply put, involves aftercare and support. There is no cliff edge: people can get that support throughout their life. They can get support with housing, employment and the whole range of services. Also, in specific circumstances, there is a right to return to care.

Duncan Dunlop, who gave evidence to the committee, specifically stated that North Yorkshire was an example that we should be following, so I am surprised that that was not at least picked up from him, or picked up before that. With a simple search we can find that North Yorkshire has been hailed as a great exemplar. Why are we not drawing on experiences from south of the border?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

On housing, our witnesses expressed concern that the problems that many care-experienced people have around homelessness will not be addressed by the bill’s provisions. Can you reassure me that they will be addressed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

When people say “benefit most”, it always sounds like a way of limiting the available support. North Yorkshire Council says bluntly, “We’re always here.” It might be that the young person does not need a huge amount of support—they might just need a listening ear—but the message is straightforward. It is not bureaucratic language around the right to request an assessment, which might possibly lead to a level of support. It does not say, “We have limited resources, so it might not be available to everybody.” Why not just say, “We are always here” and make it plain for people who already distrust bureaucracy? Why tie it up? I understand that people might say that you need to have an assessment to ensure that the support goes to the right people, but why not just keep it really clear that you will always be there for them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

They have expressed concern to us. Maybe we are hearing from different people, but people have expressed concern.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

Thank you for telling me that North Yorkshire is not a country. [Laughter.]