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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Do not worry; that is fine.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Frankly, our concern is that the system is not responding to the crisis, and not just in Dundee, because Dundee is not a one-off. I think that it has been subtly acknowledged that there is a wider problem with the sector, and our concern is that you are not helping to expose that wider problem by having a public debate. Your having had that private discussion with ministers means not only that the report will be months delayed, but that we are not able to have that urgent debate about the future of our universities, which are under extreme stress.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

That has not come up with your members?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Nigel, you are not responsible for the Funding Council, but you have a significant background in and significant knowledge of that sector. With the fire that is going on in higher and further education funding—I am referring to the likes of the situation at the University of Dundee—do you think the SFC has the headspace to be able to do this?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You would have thought that the people who are in charge of the organisation—the decision makers; in other words, the critical people who consider such things—might be slightly distracted by such a big change.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

My amendments in this group are about safeguarding and the role of the inspectorate in checking the systems of, primarily, local authorities for identifying safeguarding issues and dealing with those appropriately.

The GTCS has a responsibility, but that is only for teachers, not other staff in schools. Also, the GTCS does not have responsibility for the system; its responsibility relates only to an individual’s fitness to teach. There is therefore a vacuum—a space—which has been identified, apparently, by Neil McLennan and his colleagues, who have campaigned on the issue.

I have had several discussions with the GTCS. It recognises the issue but also recognises the limitations on its powers, because it is funded by individual teachers in relation to fitness to teach and the regulation of teachers, not in relation to the wider system.

I have therefore sought in my amendments in this group to give responsibility to the chief inspector to check local authorities, primarily, on their inspection processes to ensure that the local authorities deal appropriately with safeguarding and its systems, not just in relation to teaching staff but for other staff as well. Amendment 308 would add a requirement for inspections to include a look at safeguarding arrangements. Amendment 332 sets out that the inspection plan would have to consider how inspections would be used to monitor safeguarding.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

You are here to represent the Funding Council. Surely you must have discussed those things.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

If there is a fire or a crisis in apprenticeships and, at the same time, another university gets into great difficulty, where will the chief executive spend her time?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

What proportion of her time will she devote to apprenticeships? Surely you must have an idea of how she will divide her time in relation to an issue that is so important for the country, albeit that it involves a relatively small amount of funding.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Willie Rennie

Who within the Scottish Funding Council will be in charge of the apprenticeships programme? The chief executive who is currently responsible spends all his time focusing on apprenticeships. When matters are transferred to the SFC, will the chief executive there, with all her authority, power and influence, be in charge of them?