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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 December 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Willie Rennie

I appreciate that the report is about far more than the personalities involved—it is about organisation, culture and broader leadership. I understand that. Nonetheless, how difficult will it be for the new qualifications Scotland body to win over the profession if the old leadership remains in place?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Willie Rennie

In your previous role with the General Teaching Council for Scotland, child protection will have been close to you. The GTCS made a submission in which it talked about—to put words in its mouth—the vacuum around regulation of employers when it comes to child protection and safeguarding. As you know, the GTCS has a role in regulating the profession, but because local authorities—the employers—are regarded as the front line in child protection, referrals are passed on to them to be dealt with. The GTCS does not necessarily know what happens to those referrals. It says that there is a gap in the system, because no one is regulating that aspect.

We know that local authorities sometimes manage people out, instead of dealing with issues head on. They are not necessarily doing anything that is inappropriate, but there is a tendency to manage issues out. Why did you not include in your report a recommendation on regulation of employers in that regard, given that the GTCS had suggested that there is a gap in the arrangements?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Willie Rennie

Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Willie Rennie

I will come to child protection in a moment, but I first want to ask about Education Scotland and the new national agency, because that is the next meaty part of the report. The report talks about a “cluttered landscape”, “patchy” delivery in schools and teachers feeling “bombarded” with the material that is provided. You have also talked about a teacher-responsive approach. To be honest, I am not sure what that means. I get the idea, but what difference would a teacher notice with the new national agency in comparison with what they currently receive?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Willie Rennie

The Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland was quite forceful this week about the particular issue of restraint. We still have problems with members of the profession using inappropriate restraint methods. How important is it that the inspector makes that a significant area of work and that we look at how employers are dealing with such issues? How do we address issues to do with restraint?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Willie Rennie

Convener, could I ask a few questions about the issue of prisons, which was raised at last week’s evidence session?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Willie Rennie

We have explored the take-up issue before. I have no issue with the technical changes to the amounts, but I feel that the take-up for two-year-olds still seems to be lagging way behind where it should be. It was 11 per cent in 2019, 9 per cent in 2020 and 13 per cent in 2021. Although there has been an increase in take-up, which is good, the figure is still nowhere near the 40 per cent that is the estimated percentage of two-year-olds who would be entitled to the offer. I know that there were issues with regard to identifying the right young people and getting them into the system. Can you update us on any progress that has been made in that respect?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Willie Rennie

You have a majority, so you will get the bill through.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Willie Rennie

We are talking about the children’s commissioner, who is appointed by Parliament. The commissioner’s office is an incredibly serious institution that considers such matters, and it would not have said what it said last week if it did not have any justification for doing so.

To be frank, the Scottish Government has got this wrong very recently, with the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill, so what confidence does the Government have that it has got this bill right? Surely we cannot afford for this bill to be bogged down in the courts in the same way as the other bill has been. What can you tell us to convince us that the Government is right and the children’s commissioner is wrong?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Willie Rennie

Can I stop you there? Why does a framework not get you to the same point in a different way? Nobody has been able to explain to me why a general framework is not the most appropriate way to proceed. You could take action against an institution that was not complying with the framework. Why do you have to be so prescriptive in areas that you do not know anything about?