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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

We are not really getting to the nub of this. In 2010, there were 1,500 nursery teachers and there are now only 700. Does that not give an indication that we have moved from education to just childcare? That question is for Matthew Sweeney.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

Surely the clue is in the title of your organisation. If we are going to improve things, we should understand the reasons. Is no attempt being made to understand them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

Why are we so bad at getting entitled two-year-olds into the provision? Perhaps Adam Hall could answer that first.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

I will push back a wee bit on that. I am not a defender of the Government, but COSLA has accepted that the settlement for the early learning and childcare offer was going to meet the needs. I know that there has been a reduction in funding in the past year and that there has been some rejigging of funds. However, the policy has been funded, so I am puzzled about why there has been such a reduction in nursery teachers over that period when, apparently, there has been enough money.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

You have set the cat among the pigeons, and I commend you for that, but this is not the end of the debate. We need to return to the matter.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

As you probably saw, there was quite a bit of debate last week about whether the new arrangements will make the process easier or more difficult. I can understand the motivation for the change, but could it potentially encourage more cross-border placements?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

The representatives from the children’s commissioner’s office made the point last week that there would be a disparity between the rights of children coming from England and the rights of those in Scotland. I can understand why you would potentially have to double up the process—that is probably not legal language, either—in order to overcome that, which might create some difficulties for those who come from England. Are you concerned about the difference between the rights of children who come here from England and the rights of those who are already here?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

I am staggered by the admission that, somehow, those who work in the PVI sector are worth less, even though they are supposedly doing exactly the same job. I have some examples of pay rates. In Falkirk, a local authority head of centre is paid 71 per cent more than their private nursery manager equivalent, despite working fewer hours. In Glasgow, a deputy head of nursery is paid 87 per cent more than a deputy nursery manager in the PVI sector. Are you surprised that there is an exodus of staff from the PVI sector?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Early Learning and Childcare: 1,140 Hours

Meeting date: 25 May 2022

Willie Rennie

Yes. I am sorry—you have got the tough job today in having to defend this.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Willie Rennie

I want to challenge your claim that things were getting better before the pandemic. In a number of indicators that I have looked at, the gap has widened. The gap in S3 literacy widened from 13.6 per cent to 13.8 per cent between 2016 and 2018. In the achievement of level 4 of the Scottish credit and qualifications framework, the gap widened from 6.5 per cent to 7.1 per cent between 2018 and 2019. The gap in the achievement of level 6 widened from 35 to 36 points in 2018-19. That was all before the pandemic, so why do you say that things were getting better?