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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Willie Rennie

I am intrigued by some of your language. It sounds as though you are delegating to the regional board the responsibility for leading the reform. Tell me that that is not the case. Are you leading this work or is the board leading it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Willie Rennie

I had hoped that the SFC would speak truth to power, because it is the voice of not just the higher education sector but the college sector. Talking about managing slight fluctuations from year to year does not represent the massive pressure that colleges are under.

Two weeks ago, Derek Smeall told the committee that there is “chronic underfunding” and that

“the future includes the potential loss of 25 per cent of my workforce by the end of 2027.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 21 September 2022; c 14.]

Is he right?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Willie Rennie

Do you have any of it? Do you have a rough picture?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Willie Rennie

Will it be 25 per cent? Will it be more than that or less?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Willie Rennie

If I can—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Willie Rennie

Let me conclude this bit. I think that you are saying that you do not broadly disagree with Derek Smeall’s assumption or the suggestion that there will be significant cuts over the next few years. I think that you do not know what they will be precisely, which is why you do not want to say. I will take your nod as a sign.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Willie Rennie

Can I come back to the issue of pace?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Willie Rennie

You were smiling halfway through your answer. I suspect that there is a bit of frustration on your part. If you can get on and make an awful lot of the decisions following the review, I cannot quite understand why Government cannot, especially when the college sector is under extraordinary pressures. Therefore, what do we do about that? Why can you not relay to the Government that colleges want to get on and plan?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Willie Rennie

In relative terms, that is tinkering. Do you have the comparisons with 2010-11?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 5 October 2022

Willie Rennie

We will continue to look at what you call fluctuations, although the big picture is a massive change in the past decade, during which colleges have been diminished significantly. I am not sure that we have voices making the case for further education to be a major part of the education system in Scotland.

You did not answer the question about a 25 per cent reduction at Derek Smeall’s college. Do you think that that is right?