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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Willie Rennie

I do not really get this. I have struggled to understand the motivation behind why you have done this. If you had said earlier what you have said today, the episode might have come to an end. Instead, there has been a constant reinterpretation of events, with different ministers saying different things. Even yesterday, the First Minister said something different from what you have said today. I do not understand why you were not clear from the very beginning. Why was that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Willie Rennie

I think that it is clear from your reaction to the point that the convener made about your call with Alexis Jay that you know that it was a mistake and that you should have had an official on the call. It seems that a series of mistakes have occurred throughout this episode, and that is why people’s confidence in you has been shaken through this process. Do you understand that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Willie Rennie

Professor Jay, I am interested in who your main ministerial contact is and whether that has changed over time, with your engagement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Willie Rennie

It was your responsibility. You recruited and trained thousands of extra teachers based on the promise that we would reduce teacher contact time, and they are now unemployed. You cannot suddenly say, after you have failed to deliver on the manifesto, that it is all the councils’ fault. It was your manifesto commitment, and those people are pretty angry now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Willie Rennie

I am going to conclude. Those people have heard all this before and nothing has changed. They do not have confidence in the Government to deliver. The reality is that the Government has not delivered the promise to close the gap that it made 10 years ago, and that is the reality for 170,000 people.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Willie Rennie

If you do not have a job, that makes no difference, and lots of them do not have a job.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Willie Rennie

It sounded like blame to me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Willie Rennie

Has Angela Constance been a regular correspondent with you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Professor Alexis Jay and the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Willie Rennie

And the First Minister?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Willie Rennie

Let us hope that that works. Initially, the approach was to recruit 3,500 extra teachers to create the space to reduce teacher contact time. Now you have worked out, through your various bits of research, that the falling school population would allow you to do so without recruiting 3,500 extra teachers, which leaves lots of them underemployed or unemployed. Do you regret changing the approach halfway through the process?