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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Willie Rennie

Thank you for your evidence so far. I appreciate it and I understand your frustrations. The committee has taken lots of evidence, but trying to get to the truth has been really quite challenging, because there are some really complex matters.

There has been quite a lot of reform in recent years, including having elected chairs at various universities, and that has not been a roaring success. What are your observations about the reforms of recent years, including the election of chairs and the recent Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill, which brings greater oversight for the Scottish Funding Council? What are we not getting? What needs to change and what comments do you want to make about what has happened so far?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Willie Rennie

Is it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Willie Rennie

My question was really a supplementary to Paul McLennan’s question so, unless Mr Cutts has a particular point to make, I will hand back to Mr McLennan.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Willie Rennie

You could argue that the election of the chair of court at the University of Dundee was part of the problem. How do we know that we will not return to such a situation? The evidence that we received from Amanda Millar was appalling. She had no idea what was happening at the university. Surely that is not a good example of the democratisation that you are talking about.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Willie Rennie

I am really worried about universities in Scotland. The situation is at near-extinction status for some of them. We saw that with the University of Dundee. I have met, on their doorsteps, Dundee staff who live in my constituency over the water in Fife, and they were visibly upset. There was a cloud that was not disappearing above their head—it was there for months and months on end. This is real.

The Scottish Funding Council’s report from September last year was really stark. It highlighted “increasing staff costs”—despite what we have heard today—along with

“Further flat cash settlements or unanticipated public spending cuts … An uncertain macro-economic outlook, including rising inflation and persistently high interest rates … Continuing high energy costs”

and “Infrastructure pressures”, including RAAC,

“impacting on the delivery of high-quality learning, teaching and research”.

It also highlighted

“The requirement to invest in the achievement of public sector net zero targets”

and

“The impact of UK government policies on”

immigration and international students. Each one of those is significant on its own, and all the measures that I have heard this morning are not the big answers. I am hoping that the review by the partnership between universities, the Government, the union and students will come up with big solutions, because everything that we have talked about today will not plug that gap.

Where are the big answers? Does anybody have them this morning? If we just carry on as we are, micromanaging a potentially catastrophic situation with a funding system that the previous Government minister, Graeme Dey, acknowledged as broken—it is a big deal for any Government minister to acknowledge that a system is broken—I am really worried that some of the institutions might disappear. Does anybody have any big answers this morning?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Willie Rennie

Miles Briggs, Paul McLennan and I were at the Educational Institute of Scotland’s hustings for schools last Thursday evening. The EIS wanted £1 billion. You are asking for more public money today. When I go to the housing conference next week, which will be dealing with the housing emergency, the participants there will probably want a similar sum. The economy is not exactly booming just now, however. Where does the money come from? I do not disagree with anything that you have said about the value of universities—and they are a flag to the world—but we have lots of difficult, terrible choices to make.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Willie Rennie

I do not want to dominate the discussion, so I will now go to Dan Cutts, if that is okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Willie Rennie

Convener, I do not want to take up more time, as we are overrunning the clock. I ask the witnesses who want to come in to keep it brief.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Willie Rennie

There has been an elected chair at Dundee, and that elected chair did not see the problems coming. Why was that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Willie Rennie

But you are.