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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Willie Rennie

If you are specifying that training is required, that should improve clarity and ensure that individuals have greater understanding of the requirements. However, you are not providing any greater clarity about what is permitted in practice and what is not, because the guidance is already established. All that you are talking about is placing the guidance on a statutory footing, so the bill will not provide any more clarity. Is that not the case?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Willie Rennie

My second point is about the General Teaching Council for Scotland, which, as you will have heard, is almost saying that the bill is piecemeal and that we need to take a broader look at safeguarding and child protection, because most of that is dealt with through guidance and is not on a statutory footing. What is your answer to that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Willie Rennie

I make it clear that, as Mr Johnson knows, I am a supporter of the bill. I just think that it is important to ask difficult questions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Willie Rennie

Thanks very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Willie Rennie

That comes to the nub of it. We already have guidance, so there should be all the clarity that we are looking for. We are talking about putting the guidance on a statutory footing. We have seen that doing that sometimes leads to mission creep and overcaution, with people going further than is required in order to ensure that they are covered and are not flouting the legislation. Is there not a danger that, because of that fear, we will make people much more cautious at critical moments when intervention is required, which could cause mission creep?

The concern is not about recording incidents or what the guidance says about what is appropriate for restraint but about the extra caution that could come from legislating that might endanger children.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

The bill’s provisions do not extend the right to receive support to those leaving care prior to the age of 16. Why is that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

So, that is wrong; such support is available to all those leaving care prior to the age of 16.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

Some of our witnesses expressed concern that there was no clarity about the definitions—that eligibility was not clear. For instance, is the provision available for informal kinship arrangements? There is a lack of clarity on such things. The provisions are very vague, which is why witnesses have raised concerns.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

Just to return, a distinction seems to have been drawn between the right to request an assessment and the right to receive support. Why does the bill make that distinction between the two? Why not just say that there is a right to receive support, rather than a right to request an assessment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Willie Rennie

Why do you not progress that approach?