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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 May 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Miles Briggs

I want to raise the issue of further support for kinship families, which overlaps with much of the conversation that we have had. I am thinking specifically of how we can improve referral pathways and signposting. We have already touched on what happens when young people are in education. Should we be looking for a better model so that all the professionals who are involved—especially teachers—are aware of the needs of children in kinship care and of young carers in the classroom setting?

CELCIS’s survey highlighted the root of the situation when it identified that many children in kinship care have experienced trauma and that children in kinship care are less likely to receive mental health support than children in foster care. What is your view on that? How do we improve that model? I am thinking of the classroom setting in particular. Although we are not the education committee, there is an opportunity to take on board some of the work in that area.

I realise that that was a long question. Maybe we can hear from Vivien Thomson first, as she has touched on the issue.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Miles Briggs

That is a very useful question/point, which we can perhaps take away and pursue.

Specifically, the committee wants to focus attention on the potential model to change the situation and get it right. As Micheleine Kane has outlined, local authorities all have different things going on, and it will often come down to the key people in a council who are driving services to change and respond. What would you like to see that model look like—especially for informal kinship carers—and how do you think that it would best be developed? Micheleine Kane touched upon legislation. A national rate has also been highlighted, with the suggestion that that change should really have been put in place already.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Miles Briggs

I am sorry—I wittered on a bit there. The question was around what you think we should suggest to help change this. That is the key point that we want to get into.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Miles Briggs

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Miles Briggs

I am not sure who else wants to come in. Should teachers be informed of children’s status? Should “YC” or “KC” appear next to someone’s name in the register, to indicate that they are a young carer or are in kinship care? That would flag it up to teachers—especially in secondary school settings, where young people move around and see a different teacher in each class—so that they would understand and could sometimes cut them some slack. That point is always put to me when I speak to young carers, so I wanted to include that potential model in my question.

10:00  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Miles Briggs

That leads on to the point that I wanted to make. I am sure that every MSP has dealt with cases involving informal kinship care. Often, it is grandparents who informally take on the kinship care role, and in many cases they have retired. To go back to Linda Richards’s point, such people are often worried about engaging with social work and what that might mean. To be honest, they can be worried about how they might be judged.

For a future model, should informal kinship carers benefit from a recommended allowance? Given your experience, what would that look like, and how could it work for such families, who are often nervous about engaging with local authorities on the issues?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Miles Briggs

Thank you for that very powerful testimony, Micheleine.

Does anyone else want to come in on that point?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Miles Briggs

Thank you for that—

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Miles Briggs

Good morning. Thank you for joining us.

I want to follow up on Marie McNair’s questions. Why has progress not been made on the issue? There is frustration about that in Parliament. The Education and Skills Committee made numerous recommendations on the subject, but those do not seem to have been implemented. Is it the case that a recommended allowance has not been implemented in Scotland purely because of the financial situation in which councils have found themselves?

For example, I was looking at COSLA’s submission to the committee, which states that, from the start of the work on a national allowance, delivery

“would not be possible within the current level of ... funding”,

and that the Scottish Government, having cut council funding, would have to fully fund the allowance in order for it to be possible.

I will bring Laura Caven in to comment on why we have not seen that standard being delivered, because it is now years since it was expected.

09:15  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Kinship Care

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Miles Briggs

We touched on the Promise when speaking to the previous panel of witnesses. Many MSPs are feeling frustrated that the Promise is not being delivered. In your professional experience, where are the problems in delivering that? From most of the submissions that we have had, it seems that local authorities are being tasked with delivering the Promise but are not being given the resources to do that.

I start with Micheleine Kane and then I will see who else wants to come in.