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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Perfect. That is understood.
Sarah Boyack, you can have a very brief question at the end, unless you think that it has already been answered.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Welcome back to the meeting. The third item on our agenda is the consideration of two draft statutory instruments.
The instruments confer responsibilities on Zero Waste Scotland in relation to the public sector equality duty in the Equality Act 2010. Following Zero Waste Scotland’s reclassification as a non-departmental public body in October 2024, the instruments aim to align its legal responsibilities with that status. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee has raised no points in relation to either instrument.?
I welcome Gillian Martin, Cabinet Secretary for Climate Action and Energy, who is joined by supporting Scottish Government officials Andrew Mackie, who is head of environment and forestry sponsorship hub; Carolyn Boyd, who is a lawyer; and Russell Bain, the deputy director for international futures and brand Scotland policy.
The instruments are laid under the affirmative procedure, which means that they cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves them. ??Following the evidence session, the committee will be invited to consider two motions recommending that the instruments be approved. I remind everyone that Scottish Government officials can speak under this item but not in the debates that follow.
I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
The committee will report on the outcome of the instrument in due course. I invite the committee to delegate authority to me as convener to approve the draft of the report for publication. Are you happy to do so?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Good morning and welcome to the 31st meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. I welcome Sarah Boyack as a substitute for Monica Lennon, who is unable to attend this morning.
Our first item of business is a decision on taking items 6 and 7 in private. Item 6 is consideration of the evidence that we will have heard on the Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill legislative consent memorandum, and item 7 is consideration of the committee’s work programme. Do members agree to take items 6 and 7 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
“Zero” is a snappier title. We also have Ralph Lavery, net zero applications engineer, CATAGEN. Thank you all for attending this briefing session. I will move straight to our questions, and I will start.
In the LCM, the Scottish Government says that it supports the bill because it could help to create and sustain a SAF sector. I put on record that “SAF” is sustainable aviation fuel. I will not repeat that. I do not like three-letter acronyms, but that is where we are.
In your view, are the UK and Scotland well positioned as potential leaders in the prospective SAF industry? It is important to have a SAF industry that is distributed around the UK, is it not? That was a rhetorical question.
Who would like to go first? By the way, if you all look away when I ask who would like to go first, I will just go to the person who looks away last. In this case, that was you, Doug McKiernan, so I will come to you first then go to Simon McNamara then Ralph Lavery.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Thank you. Simon McNamara, is SAF important to Loganair? Do you see it having a future?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
I think that we all accept—I believe this anyway—that demand will probably determine where production is. We will want production to be close to where demand is.
I have a question for Simon McNamara, although anyone can come in on it. We have heard that power to liquids is the long-term prospect and objective. When do you think that it will make a meaningful contribution to UK air travel? I know that you will say that the work has already started—I am expecting you to say that—but when will others follow Loganair’s lead, if that is the right expression?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
I think that that was a hearing issue.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
I will bring in the deputy convener in a moment. The trouble is that we overrun when it is an interesting subject and everyone has lots of questions. That is fine—I do not mind that we have delayed the cabinet secretary. She can wait, because this is interesting and informative. However, I encourage the witnesses to give short answers. If you agree with one another, you can just say, “So-and-so is right”, instead of each person answering the question slightly differently. That is a gentle push for timekeeping.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 28 October 2025
Edward Mountain
Keeping it simple and short works for me.