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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 31 March 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Yes. I would be delighted if you wanted to argue with the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service; I think that it would be an interesting debate.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I apologise. I do not know why that happens, but apparently, if my phone is on and there is an alarm at home, which is—[Interruption.] I am just going to stop this. It overrides everything, because it is a home security alarm that the police put in. I apologise profusely. I do not know why it has gone off. I hope that my wife is fine. If she is not, I guess that she has called the police. I apologise profusely to the committee. David, back to you. I am embarrassed.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much, Monica. You will get your time next week, I think.

I have a brief final question. If the bill had been passed 10 years ago, how many prosecutions on ecocide would there have been?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

In fairness, I do not think that anyone said 11. I think that they might have suggested one, if any.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 2 is an evidence session with the Scottish Government on the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill. This will be our penultimate evidence session before we hear from Monica Lennon, the member in charge of the bill, next week.

I welcome to the meeting Gillian Martin, the Cabinet Secretary for Climate Action and Energy, and her supporting officials: Charles Stewart Roper is the head of the environment strategy and governance unit, and David Murdoch is a Scottish Government solicitor.

Thank you for attending, cabinet secretary. I believe that you want to make some brief opening remarks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that Douglas Lumsden has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

That is why I am trying to get some clarification.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I apologise again. If you want to gather your thoughts—

10:15  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Douglas Lumsden, I will hand back to you, and I will ask Michael Matheson to convene the meeting while I step out to make sure that my wife is all right. She will be cross if I do not.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

It was just a question of need—to my mind, Parliament should only pass laws that are needed. That is what I am trying to get to.

Before I close, I again apologise to the committee and to the cabinet secretary for my phone doing what it did. It cut you in mid-flow, David Murdoch—but it did not stop you coming back with a second bite of the cherry. I am disappointed to know that my wife now has a means of automatically getting my attention, whatever I am doing.

On that note, I will leave it before I get into trouble. My thanks to you, cabinet secretary, and to your team.

11:08 Meeting continued in private until 12:36.