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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 2 December 2025
Edward Mountain
I do not want to tread on the toes of my fellow committee members, who might want to delve into those, so I will leave that for the moment. Is there anything else that you want to say?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 2 December 2025
Edward Mountain
I am sure that we will see, during the evidence session, if that is how the bill is perceived.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 2 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Cabinet secretary, I think that Charles Stewart Roper wants to come in, but it is up to you whether you let him.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 2 December 2025
Edward Mountain
I know, but I just wanted to put on the record—to confirm what Mr Stewart said—that this is not the only thing that we are dealing with.
We have two short questions, one from Sarah Boyack and one from Mark Ruskell.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 2 December 2025
Edward Mountain
It is fair to say that we heard from SEPA that it feels that it has enough resource to do what it is asked to do at the moment. However, we might be asking it to do something else through the introduction of the legislation. The fear is that it does not have enough resources to do that, and the financial memorandum does not allow it extra resource. Is that a concern for you?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 2 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Monica Lennon has been sitting very quietly waiting for her opportunity, and it has now come.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 2 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 36th meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.
I welcome to the meeting Sarah Boyack, who is attending as a substitute member for Monica Lennon for agenda items 2 and 3, on the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill. Under rule 9.13A of our standing orders, Monica Lennon is not entitled to exercise the rights of a committee member in relation to those items because she is, of course, the member in charge of the bill. Monica will, however, be present for the evidence session on the bill and, like all members of the Scottish Parliament, she is entitled to ask questions, and she will be able to do so once committee members have asked their questions.
Agenda item 4 is consideration of our work programme, and we will not discuss the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill under that item, so Monica Lennon, rather than Sarah Boyack, is entitled to take part. I mention all that purely in the interests of transparency, given that the committee might agree to take items 3 and 4 in private.
Agenda item 1 is a decision on whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. As I have just stated, item 3 is consideration of today’s evidence on the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill, and item 4 is consideration of our work programme. I will split the question into two parts to make sure that I do not break any of the Parliament’s standing orders.
First, I will ask whether members agree to take item 3 in private, noting that Monica Lennon may not participate in that decision while Sarah Boyack may. I will then ask whether members agree to take item 4 in private; Monica Lennon may take part in that decision but Sarah Boyack may not.
Do members agree to take item 3 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 2 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Do members agree to take item 4 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 2 December 2025
Edward Mountain
We heard in evidence that the bar for a prosecution under section 40 of the Regulatory Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 would be easier to achieve than the bar for a prosecution under the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill, if it is passed. There is an option to ensure a conviction, using the section 40 route. I am sure that somebody will delve into that.
There is an issue that I want to push you on. In its memorandum on the bill, the Scottish Government said that there was quite a big overlap between the bill and section 40 of the 2014 act. Could you highlight in which areas there is an overlap, whether you feel that section 40 is deficient and whether we need another string to that bow through the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 2 December 2025
Edward Mountain
I am sorry for coming in like this, which I do not normally do, but I am slightly confused. I thought that I had heard it said in evidence that, if there were two offences—one on a lower shelf and one on a higher shelf—you would always go for the offence on the lower shelf first, because there would be more chance of getting a conviction.