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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The committee heard about the fine levels when we took evidence. It was generally felt that £5,000 was quite light for some of the bigger businesses. We heard that a land management plan could cost somewhere between £15,000 and £20,000—I think that we discounted the much bigger estimates. That means that, if the fines were limited to £5,000, it would take four years of fines to equal the cost of not producing a land management plan. However, I have a problem with taking the level to £40,000, which is an incredibly large amount. Although I accept that a landholding of 1,000 hectares is a substantial holding, 1,000 hectares in the cabinet secretary’s constituency might be far more productive than 1,000 hectares on an uninhabited island or small island in the Highlands, or even in the Highlands as a whole, where densities of stocking are limited by the amount of vegetation. Therefore, the profitability of the holding would be such that a £40,000 fine would be impossible to pay, which is the point that I made earlier. I am signalling that, although I agree in principle with what Mr Doris has suggested, which is that £5,000 is too little, £40,000 seems to be a massive figure.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Do any other members want to say anything?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 136 disagreed to.

Section 3—Modifications in connection with section 2

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

It would be helpful if you could speak to your amendments and the rest of the amendments in the group, and then speak purely to Mercedes Villalba’s amendment when I call it later.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 14 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Against

Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 5, Against 2, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 56 agreed to.

Amendment 57 not moved.

Amendment 58 moved—[Mairi Gougeon]—and agreed to.

Amendment 59 not moved.

Amendments 60 and 61 moved—[Mairi Gougeon]—and agreed to.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 390 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 311 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.