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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
We will move into private for about half an hour before we hear from the first panel of witnesses.
08:31 Meeting continued in private.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
I will ask the other witnesses to reflect on the point that you have made. Those with memories of this Parliament will know that, just before the previous election, a climate change plan was produced that included some headline-grabbing targets, but those targets proved to be unachievable. We are now in a similar situation in that we will be considering the draft climate change plan in the dying days of this session of Parliament, just before dissolution and the election. We could have been considering it in 2023, but the Government decided to delay its publication.
James Curran, when you are reflecting on what has changed, could you say whether you are concerned about where we are at? I am certainly concerned.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
No, but I am interested in whether you have fears, given that you gave evidence in 2017 and since then, that we are in the last three months of this parliamentary session, having had a little break for Christmas, and are still trying to find our way through the plan. Does that concern you?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
I think that we will have a month, once the consultation has finished, to find out.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
I have a quick question. Some hauliers that I have visited say that they just cannot make electric HGVs work for them because, by the time that the lorry has come in and recharged, it could have been out and done another six or seven hours of work. However, it has sat there recharging. Those hauliers do not have flexibility to allow for that. Are we ever going to get round that in the short term? I will bring in Andy Poole on that.
12:00Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Okay. Thank you.
Monica, I am afraid we are almost out of time in this session. I want to ask one very simple question, which should elicit a yes, no or don’t know answer. Is this a good draft climate change plan? I will come to Lloyd Austin first.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
We will see. The deputy convener has some questions. Over to you, Michael Matheson.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Okay, so on reaching the target of 24,000, my maths would suggest to me that we are about 18 years away on that rate of getting the chargers. Is that about right?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
That is probably an interesting point to leave this. Somebody will have to then negotiate at what price the person buys the electricity back and whether it was the price that it was sold at. Otherwise, it could be an expensive tumble dryer.
On that note, thank you very much for giving evidence this morning and I am sorry about the pressure of time. It was always going to happen, but I appreciate all the time and the effort you have put into this. Thank you again and have a great Christmas.
I will briefly suspend the meeting for three minutes and we will move the rest of the meeting into private. Thank you.
12:45 Meeting continued in private until 13:00.Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Welcome back to the meeting, and we continue our consideration of the Scottish Government’s draft climate change plan with a panel focusing on electric vehicles and charging networks.
I welcome Philip Gomm, head of internal communications, RAC Foundation; Andy Poole, head of environmental policy, Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders; and Jarrod Birch, head of policy, ChargeUK. I believe that Professor Jillian Anable, chair in transport and energy at the institute for transport studies at the University of Leeds, will be joining us, too.
We will go straight to questions, but first of all, I apologise for the delay in getting to you. We were struggling with a lot of evidence from the previous panel, and I am putting it down to my failure to keep people on time. I might be a bit harder on this panel, given the time pressures.
I get the easy question to start with, and I ask everyone giving evidence to answer this briefly: are the proposals and policies set out in the draft climate change plan—that is, to phase out petrol and diesel cars by 2030—sufficient to deliver the Scottish Government’s overarching goals for electric vehicle uptake? What do you think? I will bring in Philip Gomm to start with.