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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Welcome back. Our fourth item of business is an evidence session on the Scottish Government’s draft climate change plan, which sets out how the Government intends to meet its carbon reduction targets. The committee is leading a cross-committee effort to scrutinise the draft plan, and the Scottish Government has said that it will lay the final plan by the end of March. Everyone who gives evidence today will be contributing to a report that we will publish in, I hope, late February, with a debate in the chamber to follow.
I welcome to the meeting Lloyd Austin, policy adviser for Stop Climate Chaos Scotland; Professor James Curran, a member of the Climate Emergency Response Group; Dr Mark Winskel, a senior lecturer at the University of Edinburgh; Jess Pepper, the founder and director of Climate Café; and Professor Kevin Anderson, a professor of energy and climate change at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. I thank all the witnesses for attending the meeting.
This evidence session is intended to provide an overview of the whole draft climate change plan, without a focus on any specific policy. We will go straight to questions. As convener, I get to ask the first question, which is always an easy one—the warmer into the bank, as it were—to allow you to express your views. Given that there are five witnesses, it will not be possible for everyone to answer every question that is asked. To help me, if you agree with something that somebody said earlier, you do not have to repeat it. It would be great if you could just say that you agree or that you do not agree and then say why, because that will save a bit of time. We have about two hours for this evidence session.
It is seven years since we had a full climate change plan, and it is five years since the climate change plan update. A lot of countries, including Scotland, have adopted an ambition for net zero emissions, with the intention of achieving the Paris agreement targets on temperature increase. In your view—you will all get a chance to answer this question—what are the key things that have changed?
I will bring in Lloyd Austin first.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
We come to questions from Monica Lennon, who is joining us online.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
From what I have heard, they are more expensive and they can do fewer runs, so hauliers are not keen on them.
Kevin Stewart wants to follow up on that.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
I will hand straight back to Douglas Lumsden, because we all jumped in on his question.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
That is none of the three answers that I mentioned. [Laughter.] Let us see whether James Curran can improve on that.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Oh—I missed that. Off you go, Andy.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
I am sorry. I did not know my microphone was on. I was gently reminding the deputy convener that Kevin Anderson wants to come in as well. I am sorry if I have put you off your stride—I apologise.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Andy, do you want to add anything? Certainty—or, at least, directional certainty—seems to be required.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Okay. Jarrod Birch, do you want to add anything briefly to that, or are you in agreement?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 16 December 2025
Edward Mountain
Sorry to intervene, deputy convener, but before we hear the answer to that question, although I feel that I am the negative person in this room constantly pointing out the time, I note that we are up against the clock. I tried to encourage the previous panel to make my Christmas by giving me short answers to short questions but they did not do so. I implore our witnesses to make their answers as succinct as possible.