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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Agenda item 2 is an evidence session with the Scottish Government on the Ecocide (Scotland) Bill. This will be our penultimate evidence session before we hear from Monica Lennon, the member in charge of the bill, next week.

I welcome to the meeting Gillian Martin, the Cabinet Secretary for Climate Action and Energy, and her supporting officials: Charles Stewart Roper is the head of the environment strategy and governance unit, and David Murdoch is a Scottish Government solicitor.

Thank you for attending, cabinet secretary. I believe that you want to make some brief opening remarks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that Douglas Lumsden has some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

That is why I am trying to get some clarification.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I apologise again. If you want to gather your thoughts—

10:15  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Douglas Lumsden, I will hand back to you, and I will ask Michael Matheson to convene the meeting while I step out to make sure that my wife is all right. She will be cross if I do not.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

It was just a question of need—to my mind, Parliament should only pass laws that are needed. That is what I am trying to get to.

Before I close, I again apologise to the committee and to the cabinet secretary for my phone doing what it did. It cut you in mid-flow, David Murdoch—but it did not stop you coming back with a second bite of the cherry. I am disappointed to know that my wife now has a means of automatically getting my attention, whatever I am doing.

On that note, I will leave it before I get into trouble. My thanks to you, cabinet secretary, and to your team.

11:08 Meeting continued in private until 12:36.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that the Parliamentary Bureau decides when stage 2 will be, taking advice from the committee.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

In fairness, to back up what Kevin Stewart has just said, I should say that we got a further response at 8.48 this morning, just before we came into the meeting.

I would also say, in answer to the cabinet secretary’s question, that she knows fine well that the committee also has other business to deal with before the end of this session, including the climate change plan, which she is driving forward. There are incredible pressures, and it would be unfair of me, as convener, not to say that time is of the essence—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

The clerks have told me that, because the Scottish Government is acceding to this request, it would be the right body to write to, although it might well have to contact the UK Government to clarify some of the details. We will follow the procedure and the direction of travel, if you are all right with that.

Thank you very much. That is all that we are going to do in public, so we will now move into private session.

12:02 Meeting continued in private until 12:43.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Edward Mountain

I am trying to decipher that answer. It seems to be a nice way of saying that the draft plan does not have half the stuff in it that you thought would be there. Is that a fair interpretation? Try to put your view in a sentence.