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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Sorry, Simon, but you have now confused me. My understanding is that £102.3 million was set aside for Scottish Forestry and £23.7 million was set aside for Forestry and Land Scotland, bringing a total of £126 million into that area. Is that what you have just said?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

I do not see that figure in the budget. You are saying—all in one breath—that you will bear the cost for the loss of income out of the existing budget, yet you are not showing the income from tickets in the budget.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

You are confident about that. Perhaps I will need to look back at those figures, as I cannot find where the £184 million in ticket revenue goes. You seem to be saying that it has been offset in the budget.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

I take the point that there is no point in running empty services, but if there are fewer services then railways are less crowded, so there is more chance that the PPM will be met. My question is, are you reaching a satisfactory PPM with the budget that you have?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I will leave it there. As there are no other questions from members, I thank you all for taking part in today’s session. That concludes the public part of our meeting.

11:23 Meeting continued in private until 11:51.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

I have a quick question on that, and I just want to clarify one point. Looking at the future for buses and local authorities, I am concerned that the cost of an electric bus seems to vary between £800,000 and £1 million. Will there be massive demand if local authorities go for electric buses? It will be not just one bus but hundreds of buses that are required. Looking to the future, how will that be funded, if that is your preferred option?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener has some questions on that subject, and I will bring in Mark Ruskell after that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Cabinet secretary, there is a budgeting issue that I would like you to clarify. I asked the acting finance secretary which budget line would be reduced in order to allocate, as he wishes to do, a further £60.9 million for hulls 801 and 802 in the draft budget. However, in his answer, he completely failed to address that point, so I am still none the wiser. Given the pressures on the budget for your portfolio and especially the transport aspect, which the deputy convener rightly identified earlier, can you help the committee to understand whether that £60.9 million has come out of your budget?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

In a year’s time, we will see whether we have reached the 16,500 hectares that are planned.

I move to railways. The cost of running the railways has gone up; the major public transport projects budget has gone down, rail franchise costs have gone up, and the costs of rail infrastructure have gone up marginally. Are you comfortable that a budget of £1.4 billion will be sufficient to run the railways, given the peak fares reduction that you mentioned and all the other costs, while passenger numbers are coming down?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Committee’s Review of Scottish Emissions Targets and Progress Report 2022

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Edward Mountain

The next section is on buildings, and the deputy convener, Fiona Hyslop, will begin the questions.