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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

I am slightly confused. What was the income from rail tickets on the railways last year?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Was it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

So, if I look at the 2019 accounts, I will see that the £184 million is, basically, a 60 per cent reduction in what ScotRail was receiving in 2019, on the basis that we have lost 40 per cent of passengers, according to the figures that we have. I will need to follow up on those figures, but I will take that up with the cabinet secretary.

Cabinet secretary, on that basis, and on the basis that it is costing us more to run the railway but we have slightly fewer services, do you think that, today, the public performance measure for the railways is at a sufficiently high standard?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. My problem is that on 21 February 2019, the First Minister as good as said that the ScotRail franchise should be judged on passenger satisfaction targets—the PPM. On 26 June 2018, Humza Yousaf, who was the Minister for Transport and the Islands at that time, said:

“The set of targets contained in the ScotRail franchise is a challenging but realistic contractual regime to ensure that the punctuality of our rail services is at the forefront of ScotRail’s priorities.”—[Official Report, 26 June 2018; c 4)

That put pressure on the franchise based on PPM. One of the reasons for ScotRail’s nationalisation was the fact that it did not meet its PPM target. The problem is that the PPM of the railways for December 2022 was 86.2 per cent, which is lower than the PPM during the same period in 2019. It was running more services at that time, and achieved a better result, so I have to question whether the budget is realistic and people are getting value for money.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Is Alex Hynes still on the board of Network Rail and does he run Network Rail Scotland, for which he gets a salary?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Good morning and welcome back to the meeting. Those of you who joined us earlier will know that we moved on to agenda item 4, as the cabinet secretary had been unavoidably detained in traffic.

We now move to agenda item 2, which is an evidence session on the Scottish budget 2023-24. I refer members to the papers under that item. On 15 December, the Scottish Government published its annual budget, which sets out its tax and spending plans for the coming year. We are joined by Michael Matheson, Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport, to explore the budget within his portfolio.

I welcome the cabinet secretary and thank him for his reply just before Christmas to our pre-budget letter, elements of which I expect may come up in this morning’s discussion. I also welcome the Scottish Government officials Simon Fuller, who is deputy director for rural and environmental science and analytical services, and Jon Rathjen, who is deputy director for water policy and directorate for energy and climate change operations; and Kerry Twyman, who is director of finance and corporate services for Transport Scotland. Thank you all for attending.

We have allocated around 90 minutes for this item. Before we start the questions, I believe that the cabinet secretary would like to make a brief opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

At an earlier meeting, we agreed to take item 4—consideration of a draft report—in private.

Normally, we would move to item 2, which is budget scrutiny. However, the Cabinet Secretary for Net Zero, Energy and Transport has been unavoidably delayed. We will therefore move to item 4, which will be taken in private, and we will recommence in public session when the cabinet secretary has managed to get to the Parliament. Does anyone have any problems with that?

Members: No.

09:33 Meeting continued in private.  

09:57 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that it would follow the London buses model more than one in which the councils have ownership?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

It may be a pilot, but it will cost £15 million—that is the estimate that we have been given. Is that within the budget of £1.4 billion?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 17 January 2023

Edward Mountain

I am looking round the table to see whether anyone has any other questions. As no one does, I will ask a couple of questions. I remind the committee that I have an interest in land and in a farming partnership, because my first question relates to trees and therefore to land use.

Cabinet secretary, you said in your opening statement that you are looking to increase the amount of area that is planted. Will you explain how your figures will achieve that, please?