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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 March 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

The next item is consideration of a draft Scottish statutory instrument. The order would give Scottish ministers the power to draw up standards of conduct for people benefiting from concessionary travel that could lead to the benefit being withdrawn from individuals. The Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee considered the order and made no comment on it in its report.

I welcome to the meeting Jim Fairlie, the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity, and his supporting officials: Carole Stewart, bus strategy and funding unit, and Eilidh McCabe, concessionary travel policy manager, Transport Scotland; and Kelly Minio-Paluello, solicitor, Scottish Government.

As the instrument has been laid under the affirmative procedure, it cannot come into force unless the Parliament approves it. Following the evidence-taking session, the committee will be invited to consider a motion to recommend that the instrument be approved. I remind everyone that the Scottish Government officials can speak under this item, but not in the debate that follows.

The committee has received some written evidence from stakeholders on the subject, including a late submission that we received this morning from Young Scot. I thank it for that.

I invite the minister to make a short opening statement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I am pretty sure that there has always been boisterous behaviour on buses; certainly, that was the case when I was younger. Before I move to the next question, can the minister clarify whether he has evidence of older people misbehaving on buses, which would mean that their concessionary travel pass could be removed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Okay. I am going to stop the questions there, for a variety of reasons. We are at the limit of our time for this discussion and various issues have been raised. Unusually, I am going to move the meeting into private so that the committee can discuss what we are going to do about the SSI. Everyone, apart from the committee, will have to leave the room so that the clerks can explain the procedure.

09:56

Meeting continued in private.

10:25

On resuming—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Adam, I am going to push you slightly. I gave you quite a lot of leeway to talk about other things, but my question was, do you agree with the Scottish Government’s policy on licensing of oil and gas in the North Sea? Could you, after the exposition that you gave, just say yes or no, so that I can give Simon a chance to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Douglas Lumsden has some questions on oil and gas.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I am going to move to Mark Ruskell, but I am conscious that we have spent a large part of this evidence session on oil and gas. There are, of course, other forms of energy in Scotland.

Mark, I think that you have a brief question on this issue, and then we will move on to the next bit.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I must point out at this stage that we have somewhat less than 15 minutes to get a whole load of questions answered, so I ask panel members to remember that I have to live with the committee after they have gone, and if I do not get all members’ questions in, I am the one who will have to pay for it. Therefore, please make sure that you answer as quickly as possible.

I want to take you to the draft climate change plan. Those of you who have heard my questions before will know that I want to highlight page 51 of annex 3 and the table entitled

“Energy supply financial impacts summary of policies by carbon budget”,

which shows that, between now and 2040, there are absolutely no benefits and no net costs. David, do you agree?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Sorry, John, but I am going to be ruthless, which is so unlike me, and say that I am asking for a binary answer—yes or no. Is there a benefit to the taxpayer, or is there no cost or benefit to the taxpayer from the energy strategy?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Have you asked all your questions? Are you happy with that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much, minister, and I must ask Sue Webber to accept my apologies for not saying at the beginning that she was present. She will get a chance to ask a question at the end.

I am pretty sure—in fact, I am 100 per cent sure—that this legislation will never apply to me, but I should for the record point out that I probably have the ability to get concessionary travel, given that I am over 60. However, I do not think that I am going to fall foul of this legislation—at least, I hope that I never will.

The first question will come from me—and no smirking, minister, because I really do not think that you will see me affected by what is in the code. Can you outline the evidence that you have heard on the issues that have emerged and the extent of the antisocial behaviour? It would be very helpful to hear that, given that we are talking about both ends of the age groups, as it were. I am pretty sure that it is not just young people whose behaviour sometimes slips.