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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Thank you, convener. Just to avoid any dubiety, I remind witnesses and committee members that I farm 1,000 acres, 500 of which are tenanted; I have a 160-strong pedigree beef herd and I mix-farm using the principles of rotational farming promoted by Turnip Townshend—something that I am sure all the panellists will know about.

My first question is about my concern that farmers are being pushed every day—as are crofters—to get their carbon budgets sorted out and work out all the carbon that they are using, but the industry is claiming those savings for itself. Do you think that there is double counting in the plan? For example, the production of barley has to be zero carbon; the farmers produce it, and the industry says that it has decarbonised its whisky production to zero, but somebody else has done all the work. Do you think that that is accounted for in the plan?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I will end there, but I just want to say that we have an uncosted plan with provisional figures and with no idea of who is going to pay for it, what the benefits are and who will benefit. It is an amazing plan to me.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Edward Mountain

You will not be surprised to hear that I want to look at annex 3. On page 67, it clearly says that, because of the slow development of the ARP, it is impossible to

“fully assess the costs and benefits to industry”.

It goes on to say:

“All figures”—

that is, on the carbon reductions and costs—

“should therefore be treated as provisional”.

On page 72, the chart setting out what it is going to cost says that the benefits to the environment over the period are worth £9.6 billion and, over the same period, the net costs are £90 million. However, the problem is that the costs of the agricultural support scheme, if you tot them all up as it rolls forward, are £12.8 billion. So, none of the figures match up. Can those people who have considered the plan tell me how much it will cost farmers and the industry more widely? I cannot work it out.

Dave, you anticipated the question, because you smiled. I will come to you first, because you must know the answers.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Edward Mountain

If they have heard previous evidence sessions, the panel members will not be surprised that, for my second question, I am directing them to page 67 of annex 3, which talks of the agricultural pathway and tries to give some idea of what needs to be achieved. The problem is that it says that no benefits or costs have been worked out, because the ARP has not been developed and it is not possible to develop it at this stage, so the annual budget for farm subsidies will run forward to 2040, which, clearly, is not in the budget at the moment. Do you understand from this climate change plan—which, to be a plan, must be properly costed—what its proposals will cost farmers and crofters? It can be a yes or no answer if you want. I will go along the whole panel, starting with Lorna.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Edward Mountain

In summary, you are saying that we have a plan without a route map of how to get to where we must get to, and we have no idea of the cost. It sounds like a good plan to me.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Edward Mountain

Does anyone have the answer?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Edward Mountain

You will not be surprised by my question. I refer you to page 77 of annex 3 of the draft CCP, which says that there is a Government commitment to produce 258,000 hectares of new woodland by 2040. You have told us that there needs to be confidence in the market to achieve that target. I suggest that the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2025 and the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill might muddy the water—that is certainly the evidence that we heard.

Based on the figures that you suggest, and adding a small proportion of uplift, to achieve the Government’s planting figure of 258,000 hectares, it will need to invest at least £880 million. That is based on today’s figures. Given that costs might rise, we are probably looking at closer to £1.2 billion. Could you tell me where I will find that investment? According to the table on page 78 of annex 3, it is all good news; there are no costs. Are you confident that the plan is properly financed? A yes or no answer will do, as the convener is short of time.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Edward Mountain

If not pump-priming it. The Government is not making a commitment in the climate change plan; all that it is committed to doing is spending £250 million between now and 2030, of which it had already spent £45 million at the end of 2023. I do not have the latest figures, as I cannot get them. We are way off target. The natural capital market will not invest in something if there is no certainty. You are not giving me certainty and I am not seeing it in the draft plan. Please try to give me certainty so that I can understand that the climate change plan is deliverable.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Edward Mountain

My final question is this: do you believe that the costings produced by the Government in the draft climate change plan are actually believable? A yes or no answer will do me.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I will take that as a no.