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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Our next item of business is an evidence session on Scotland’s railways. In March last year, the committee held evidence sessions with rail industry stakeholders and the Scottish Government in advance of ScotRail’s transfer into public ownership, and we agreed to keep a watching brief on the issue.

The purpose of today’s session is to take stock of ScotRail’s first year in public ownership, considering issues such as industrial relations, fares and usage, and the future of the rail industry in Scotland.

I am pleased to welcome on our first panel Mick Hogg, who is the regional organiser and lead officer for ScotRail and Caledonian Sleeper at the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers; Gary Kelly, who is the organiser for Scotland and Ireland at the Transport Salaried Staffs’ Association; Kevin Lindsay, who is the district organiser for the Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen; and Robert Samson, who is the senior stakeholder manager for Transport Focus.

I thank you very much for accepting our invitation; we are delighted to have you here. We have allowed about an hour for the session.

We will go straight into questions, and the first ones will come from Fiona Hyslop, who is the deputy convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

We will come to the subject of ticketing later. You are obviously passionate about it, so you will get a chance to come in on it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Yes. That would fit logically.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Who is that aimed at? It can be aimed at only one person.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you. The next questions come from Jackie Dunbar.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

One of the reasons why Abellio lost the contract was its failure to meet that target. I remember having lots of discussions with you about that in the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee in 2019. Now, we have fewer trains, so there should be fewer problems, which means that we should be hitting the targets, but we are not. Was it wrong to criticise Abellio? It seems that you are blaming the failure on the weather, which Abellio was never given the opportunity of doing. I do not know the answer; I am struggling to understand.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

When do you imagine that you will reach the target that you aspire to?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. It seems that I am hearing exactly the same story that I heard in 2019, just in a slightly different guise.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

I seem to remember that the SQUIRE fund did a lot of good to many stations.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transfer of Operation of ScotRail

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Edward Mountain

Monica, did you want to come in on that?