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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Is your view that you want to impose the level that you want on the rest of the United Kingdom, or is it that you believe that the UK should just do what you are doing?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

No, no, minister. Sorry, but I just want to push you slightly on that, if I may. That seems to be a pretty fundamental issue and you do not believe that that has yet been discussed.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

I am a bit confused. CSL has day-to-day costs to keep going and industry knows that no scheme will come down the road until 2025. Some parts of industry have paid quite a lot of money to keep CSL going. Do you think that they will continue funding CSL on the chance that it will be needed in 2025? That seems quite speculative. Are you happy that that is a reasonable business investment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Will that cover the costs of those councils that do collect bottles, if they lose the bottles?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

I welcome Maurice Golden to the committee. This is your chance.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Is there a parliamentary process that would have allowed that? Presumably, when we come back in September after recess, you will bring forward more regulations or another vehicle to stop the scheme in March. Why could we not have brought that vehicle forward now?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

I am asking what the scrutiny would be. Surely, if you are saying that nothing will happen until October 2025, we are not going to continue to scrutinise something that is not going to happen, are we?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Okay. Sorry—I think that I may have caused confusion here, but I am very happy to clarify. I was trying to get an explanation from the minister—before we go on to discuss the regulations and their contents, which we will do under the next agenda item—of why there appears to be a somewhat clumsy approach that involves passing legislation to enable a scheme that is not going to go ahead in the format that is in the regulations. That is what I was trying to do.

Mark Ruskell and Bob Doris want to ask questions on the regulations. I am very happy to open up to such questions if the members feel that it would be helpful for the minister to have her team around her to be able to answer the questions, because, in the next item, only the minister can answer the questions. I want to be as fair as possible.

Bob, I think that you were first, then I will come to Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

Jackie Dunbar wants to ask some questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Edward Mountain

I fear that the person for whom you are substituting might not allow you to take her place. I might have misjudged that, though—I do not want to put words in her mouth.

Minister, I have a question for you to start with, before I make a comment. When do you perceive laying the set of regulations, or the statutory instrument, to replace this statutory instrument?