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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener wants to come in and then we will move to questions from Kevin Stewart.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

The next questions come from Michael Matheson.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Catherine McWilliam, if you are going to answer the question, you may talk only about how your approach would differ to what has been suggested. I am sorry, but we are up against the clock.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I apologise. Sorry, Douglas—please continue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I reconvene the meeting, which we paused because someone had lost control of the microphones—I do not know who it was; I think that it was someone from the IT department.

Sue, I do not know whether you got any warning that I was coming to you next, but you are next. Could you answer the question?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am trying to keep the questions on theme, so members will ask you questions later.

Shivali Fifield, do you want to come in next?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Do any of the witnesses think that the bill does not define ecocide sufficiently? If you do not think that it does, you can raise your hand. Otherwise, you are agreeing with what Jamie Whittle has said. You have all looked away perfectly.

The next question is from Kevin Stewart.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I apologise to those online, both witnesses and those who are watching the meeting, for the continued interruptions. I am told that it is a gremlin in the system and that there is no reason for it, so we will just have to work through it. Therefore, we get to hear again what Kevin was saying—so, we will hear you twice, Kevin.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Yes is fine; you only get a short answer. Sue, yes or no?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I will try to give you a real-life scenario. Take, for example, a river in Scotland—it does not matter where it is—where the water is abstracted to create power, which goes into the national grid, and to provide drinking water for local communities. One year—as has happened this year—the water levels get critically low, and abstracting the water means that a freshwater mussel population is destroyed, and it is determined that the act represents ecocide, because the mussels were definitely an endangered population. If the defence is that doing that was necessary to give power to the national grid and to provide local people with drinking water, who will make the decision in that regard?

Valerie, you are shaking your head. I think that local people might be annoyed if they cannot get a drink of water in the evening.