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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I have a couple of questions, if I may. It was interesting to hear Paul Walton’s point about stoat control in Orkney, which will cost us £60 million by the time we get to the end of the project. It is necessary, and I fully accept that, but what I do not understand is who draws the lines. For example, we would probably like to see white storks back in Scotland and across the United Kingdom, and we would probably like to see the return of the common tree frog—two very easy species to manage. We might be a bit more reticent about wild boar. In fact, I do not want to see wild boar ripping up our woodlands in Scotland. They might be able to control ponticum on the west coast, but maybe we do not need them elsewhere.

We are talking about the wolf and the lynx and we already have beaver coming back, but we seem to introduce these things without considering control. The perfect example is Abernethy, which Paul Walton will know very well, and I know very well, and the need to protect the capercaillie—although we seem to allow pine marten to run riot, which definitely affects ground-nesting birds. Does there need to be a more persuasive and clear management plan, which could mean that we have to manage species within zones in the same way as we manage agriculture or trees within zones, and should we not accept that we cannot have everything running around all over the place?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

—along woodland edges to protect riparian habitats. I see conflict, however, so I am trying to ask whether we should accept that management should be in the plan.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Please do not get me wrong. I am all for stoats being wiped out of Orkney because they should never have been there in the first place. Perhaps we should be doing something about controlling how they got there to ensure that that never happens again.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

Ailsa Raeburn wanted to come in; Paul Walton is waving as well. I do not know whether you have already picked a hand, Monica.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I am tempted to ask the witnesses to give a yes or no answer, but I know that that is not going to work—you will all have views on the matter. However, I ask you to keep your answers short.

If you are happy, Finlay, I will just work along the line from Bruce Wilson to Caroline Brown and then to Ailsa Raeburn.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

The one part of Finlay Carson’s question that none of you answered was whether there was enough money to achieve all of this and where that money might come from. Perhaps that question should be left hanging at the end of the session, given that we are now out of time.

I thank the witnesses very much for coming here and giving evidence this morning, and I thank Ailsa Raeburn for doing that so well online. I knew exactly when she had finished and when it was appropriate to bring the next person in.

The committee will now consider the evidence that has been given. Later this month, we will hear from the Scottish Government in relation to the plan.

11:26 Meeting continued in private until 12:19.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

RSPB Scotland is a big landowner in Scotland; it has huge tracts of land. Does the organisation need de-risking so that it can do the right thing, or will it get on and create more woodlands on its reserves?

10:00  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Biodiversity Strategy (Draft Delivery Plan)

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Edward Mountain

I will bring in Bruce Wilson briefly. It seems to me that both of you are saying that, although we have not reached the targets, the old scheme of local biodiversity action plans, if they had been properly implemented, might have been the way forward.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Edward Mountain

Thank you. That concludes the public part of our meeting.

09:48 Meeting continued in private until 11:19.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 19 December 2023

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 37th meeting in 2023 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

The first item on the agenda is to decide whether to take in private item 2, which is consideration of a draft report on appointments to the board of the Scottish Land Commission. Do we agree to take item 2 in private?

Members indicated agreement.