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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I will comment on four amendments. Amendments 375 and 376, in the name of Mark Ruskell, are quite interesting. I think I know the case that he has in mind when he talks about somebody failing to register—it was brought to my attention as well as his, and I believe that the cabinet secretary was also warned about the person. However, it seems that that was a one-off event. I have not yet had any other information regarding people failing to register—I have not heard of anyone doing that at all. Therefore, amendments 375 and 376 seem to be using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. My view is that the law is there and people should be encouraged to register. If they fail to do it, the penalties in the law should be imposed.

On Mercedes Villalba’s amendment 377, my concern is that she said that people hiding behind security declarations was a serious problem, but I am not aware of any reports of situations in which people refusing to have their names divulged for security reasons has affected the operations of any of the tenants or people associated who want to know about the ownership of the land. If there were some evidence of that, I might be minded to look at the amendment in a different way, but, as there is not, I find it difficult to support amendment 377.

On Monica Lennon’s amendment 475, which would require the Scottish ministers to prepare a report on Scotland’s land information service, I am always in favour of hearing what is going on and having accurate reports, so I am minded to support amendment 475, because it would result in our having a more detailed picture.

I have no other comments, so I will bring in the cabinet secretary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Amendment 355, in the name of Mark Ruskell, is grouped with amendments 356 to 358, 486 and 514. I call Mark Ruskell to move amendment 355 and speak to all the amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 451 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 451 disagreed to.

Amendment 452 not moved.

Amendment 453 moved—[Tim Eagle].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 453 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I would like to make a few points; I am very happy to take interventions. The first point is on the timescales involved in lotting. I am taken by Tim Eagle’s amendment, which allows for 60 days. My experience in practice has shown that 60 days is an easy time frame in which to make a decision on whether an estate should be lotted for sale.

If that is taken in conjunction with Michael Matheson’s amendment 156, which refers to taking advice from others regarding the lotting, that could also be done within 60 days. Holding out for six months is an unnecessary delay, which is probably acceptable only in Government, rather than in the private sector. Therefore, that is completely unnecessary.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call Monica Lennon to speak to amendment 514 and any other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I invite Douglas Lumsden to contribute next; I will then make some comments myself.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you, Mark. I am looking around the table, but I do not see any other members who want to speak.

I understand what amendment 467, in the name of Ariane Burgess, is trying to achieve. However, I think that there could be some confusion over one aspect that takes me back to a long time ago, when I was a practising surveyor, which is the application of the Crichel Down rules. Their effect is that where land is purchased under a compulsory purchase order by local authorities for various purposes, and, ultimately, that land is no longer required for those purposes, it must be offered for sale back to the person from whom it was compulsorily purchased. Therefore, for amendment 467 to have any validity, that aspect would have to be considered.

That issue slightly concerns me, and I look to the cabinet secretary, who might have a lot more information from her many advisers on how the Crichel Down rules might affect how amendment 467 would work in practice. For that reason alone, I cannot support it, but I would love to hear the cabinet secretary’s views.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Mark, do you wish to press or withdraw the amendment?