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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 December 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Edward Mountain

As I alluded to when speaking to the previous group, I will make a slightly fuller declaration of interests than I did the last time. I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which says that I own and manage approximately 500 acres of farmland in Moray. I have been involved in deer management for more than 50 years. I have written deer management plans for various deer management groups across Scotland, some of which—I am pleased to say—still remain in force; they have stood the test of time.

My amendment 131 would place a duty on ministers to ensure that rural employment associated with deer management is not just protected but promoted in the bill. Organisations such as the British Association for Shooting and Conservation, Scottish Land & Estates and the Scottish Gamekeepers Association have shared with me their concerns about the lack of safeguarding of jobs and livelihoods relating to deer management. Those jobs and livelihoods must never be sacrificed to meet the aim of the Government, and of some other people, to turbocharge deer reduction.

I will talk about that when we come to the next section, but—to be frank—a lot of full-time jobs are being pushed sideways on to contract killers who are brought in to kill deer. Deer managers and gamekeepers have real concerns about the fact that the bill does not recognise the invaluable work that they do. Not only is shooting worth about £760 million to the Scottish economy; the bill risks undermining the very jobs on which we rely.

Minister, the other day, you chaired a meeting—kindly and with skill—of a group that was set up as a result of the Dava fires to discuss the importance of ensuring that such fires are controlled. To me, it was clear that it was a lot of gamekeepers and deer managers who actually stopped those fires spreading beyond where they did and prevented damage from being incurred across a wider area. In fact, I believe that the selfless action of those people prevented the loss of life. It seems only right, therefore, that we should be protecting those jobs and ensuring that, when it comes to deer management, we give them due consideration.

I could speak to Tim Eagle’s amendments, but I am not going to do so. I am interested specifically in Mark Ruskell’s amendment 28, and I want to hear what he says, because it would appear that he proposes to shift deer control out of the control of NatureScot or Scottish Natural Heritage—whatever it is now.

Perhaps that is a reversion to the good old days, when deer management was done by an organisation called the Deer Commission for Scotland. It was a Government organisation—perhaps the minister will remember it—that drew everyone together, helped to set cull targets and worked extremely well in the field of deer management. It was collaborative and wide ranging, and everyone felt that they had a say. There was some stick behind its powers, but it was unfortunately dissolved by the Government in 2010 and subsumed within Scottish Natural Heritage—something that has, I think, been to the detriment of deer management.

If Mark Ruskell’s amendment 28 seeks to bring back the Deer Commission for Scotland into a separate organisation, I will be bound to support it—which might be the kiss of death to it, Mr Ruskell. We will wait and see, convener. I have nothing further to add on that matter.

11:30  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I know that you think through your amendments carefully, but my concern with this is that landlords might not own the sporting rights in areas where they have tenancies, whether they be crofting or elsewhere. What checks have you done to make sure that giving the tenant a right to do something that interferes with the sporting right does not leave the Government legally at sea by giving someone a right that impinges on somebody else’s right, for which they might already have paid money?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that we are in danger of stretching one question to four, but I think that you have gone as far as you can on that, Sarah.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

The deputy convener wants to come in with a few points.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I did.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

You have said that you support the general principles of the bill. Will you explain briefly why you support its general principles and why you feel that there is a gap in Scots law?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I do not want to tread on the toes of my fellow committee members, who might want to delve into those, so I will leave that for the moment. Is there anything else that you want to say?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I am sure that we will see, during the evidence session, if that is how the bill is perceived.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Cabinet secretary, I think that Charles Stewart Roper wants to come in, but it is up to you whether you let him.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I know, but I just wanted to put on the record—to confirm what Mr Stewart said—that this is not the only thing that we are dealing with.

We have two short questions, one from Sarah Boyack and one from Mark Ruskell.