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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Against

Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Amendment 431, in the name of Tim Eagle, was already debated with amendment 426. I remind members that if amendment 431 is agreed to, amendments 141 to 146 will be pre-empted.

Amendment 431 not moved.

Amendment 141 moved—[Mairi Gougeon].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 371 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you very much, Mr Greer. I am looking round to see whether anyone wants to make any comments. I will do so, if no one else wants to.

It is always helpful, especially when we have gone through nearly 14 months of consultation on issues relating to land reform, if the issues that come up at stage 2 have been covered at stage 1. To my mind, none of your proposals, Mr Greer, or those of Rhoda Grant, came up or were discussed at stage 1 for the committee to understand. That makes it difficult for me to take from what you say anything but your aspirations to achieve things, which might not be related to the evidence that we have heard on land reform.

I am struggling with some of the amendments, based on the evidence that we have heard. We have heard that land management is best done at scale and that, if we want to challenge nature and biodiversity loss and deal with the environment, large landholdings might assist better with that. I believe that Mr Greer’s amendment 466 would disincentivise people with larger holdings from investing in the high-quality nature restoration that we need, especially peatland restoration.

When the measure to levy sporting rates on estates came in, I struggled with it. I should make it clear that, on my farm, I am levied a certain amount of money for shooting, for which I get non-domestic rates relief. I think that the valuation on the roll is £485, so the contribution would not be hard to make. However, it is interesting to note that some of the landholders who suffer the worst are those who are trying to deliver a minister’s policies to reduce deer numbers by culling. The very fact that those landholders are culling deer means that they end up paying sporting rates when, actually, they are just trying to grow trees.

As for the proposals on non-domestic rates relief on shooting, I understand Mr Greer’s aspirations and the fact that he dislikes shooting—I have no issue with that. My issue, though, is that shooting is currently a respected and accepted form of business that is allowed by law in Scotland. Therefore, it is difficult for me to understand why those businesses should be treated any differently from any other business in Scotland just because Mr Greer does not like them.

I see that you would like to make an intervention, Mr Greer. I have almost tried to provoke you, so I am happy to take one.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Does any other member, apart from me, wish to say anything?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 527 disagreed to.

Amendment 166 moved—[Tim Eagle].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 166 disagreed to.

Amendment 167 moved—[Tim Eagle].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 167 disagreed to.

Amendment 168 not moved.

Amendment 169 moved—[Mairi Gougeon].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 169 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Against

Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)