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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Edward Mountain

In the hope that I am not the odd one that sneaked in, it is back to you, convener.

11:15  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Edward Mountain

You would know about the responsibilities of declarations of interests in the Parliament better than most other MSPs, convener.

To take my point to the next step, you are content that, if you chose to stand to be an MP as an MSP, you would resign. Your proposal would be that you would resign if you were elected as an MP and that you would not have to resign beforehand.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Edward Mountain

If an MSP stood for election to become an MP, you are content that, if they then became an MP, they would be given eight days in which to resign. I think that is the period that is being suggested.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Edward Mountain

They would not have to resign before the election.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Edward Mountain

I have my own views on dual mandates and whether it is possible to do both jobs. I find doing the job that I am doing already to be quite intense, so I am not sure that I would look for another job.

I put it to Alice Kinghorn-Gray that we are in a situation in which councillors get elected to become MSPs and, because of the way that the elections fall, there is about a year before the council elections. Do you think that there is an argument that councillors who become MSPs should continue for that year, so as not to cause an extensive cost to the taxpayers? They can probably still do that job for that short period of time if council meetings are on Mondays and Fridays. Do you have a view on that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Edward Mountain

Okay—I will definitely leave that one there. I tend to agree in that I think that our job as MSPs is a full-time one, and I struggle to find time to do much else on occasions.

Turning to what, for me, is a very important point, Graham Simpson is producing a bill on recall, which you will have seen. In my opinion, the electorate must have a right to recall people if they are not performing. We do it in councils, so there is no reason why we should not do it in the Scottish Parliament, too, albeit that there is a slight issue for the likes of me, as a regional MSP. First, do you think that it is right? Secondly, how would you get round the problems with regional MSPs? You would have to consult people in more than one constituency, and we saw how difficult things were last year when there was a recall petition.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Edward Mountain

You can try, but there is always an odd one who sneaks in.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Edward Mountain

On the mechanics of the unexpected happening unexpectedly, if I remember rightly, the EMB changed the rules during Covid to allow MSPs to remain in post right up until the day prior to the election, so that, if there was a crisis, we could come back and sit. If it is down to MSPs to make the decision, I point out that, if something happens once the Parliament has been dissolved, there will be no MSPs, but there will be ministers and cabinet secretaries, because they stay in post. How do we get around that? Does some thought need to be given to that issue? I am slightly concerned that the decision would sit with the Government, as it would be the only body with people still in their positions, and those of us who might have a different opinion would not be heard, because we would not exist.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Edward Mountain

I will push back slightly on that. I absolutely agree that MSPs remaining in post might present difficulties. My fear is about how votes would be weighted in an advisory committee. If the votes were weighted as they are in the Parliamentary Bureau, the decision would purely be down to the Government, so, if the Government had an absolute majority, the advisory committee would be a waste of time. Personally, I favour an outside organisation taking control, as Toby James sort of suggested. I will push you slightly to give an answer and then come back to Alistair Clark.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Edward Mountain

I get all the easy ones, convener.

For non-devolved elections, people can vote from overseas. Should they be allowed to do that, and would it be safe to allow people to vote from overseas in Scottish elections?