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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 5, Against 2, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 508 agreed to.

Amendments 509, 491 and 492 moved—[Mairi Gougeon]—and agreed to.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I am just trying to work out when the best moment is for a brief pause. I will push on a bit in the hope that that entices you all to keep moving in the right direction.

The next group is on assignation and succession. Amendment 184, in the name of the cabinet secretary, is grouped with amendments 185 to 215, 230 to 233 and 305 to 308. I ask the cabinet secretary to move amendment 184 and speak to all the amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendments 185 to 215, 510, 493 and 496 be agreed to. [Interruption.] Sorry—I knew that I would get that wrong. I will clarify that. The question is, that amendments 185 to 215, 510 and 493 to 496 be agreed to.

Amendments 185 to 215, 510 and 493 to 496 agreed to.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Right—I need to get back online with the script.

Amendment 216, in the name of Tim Eagle, has been debated with amendment 488. Do you wish to move or not move the amendment, Tim?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 218 disagreed to.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Amendment 219, Mr Eagle—I got the numbers in the right order.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

In this group, yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Sorry, Mr Ewing, I cannot hear your dulcet tones as well as I would like to. Can you adjust the microphone? That is it. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call Tim Eagle to speak to amendment 508A and any other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I am sure that Monica Lennon will respond to the following points when she winds up. To correct Michael Matheson, which I do not do without being careful, the Crown Estate has estates on land as well as at sea. Those estates are spread across Scotland and are not only agricultural. The Crown Estate has other interests as well.

I tend to agree with Monica Lennon that Crown Estate reform was probably overdue when it was carried out. It is a journey that we are only part of the way through, and we are waiting to see its full effects. I have long argued about the issue of which organisation should realistically get the income from ScotWind and whether that should be Crown Estate Scotland or the Scottish Government. The sale of a long-term lease is actually revenue, so a percentage is kept by the Crown Estate and a percentage goes to the Government, and capital has to be reinvested back by the Crown Estate into the estate itself.

I am taken by the fact that, 19 years ago, Bidwells—I declare that I worked there then—managed Crown Estate lands in a part of Scotland. It was interesting due to the complexity of the management of those lands, which was not carried out by the Crown Estate but by surveyors and by several firms around Scotland. That ensured that there was the capacity to manage the land. I strongly question whether local authorities would have the scope to carry out the management of the Crown estate foreshore if that were to be passed over to them.

I also agree with the deputy convener that, when it comes to the management of the Crown estate, it is good that that is done by a central body across Scotland. That means that there is no dubiety and that there are not the huge variations that there could be in, say, how much local authorities charge for even a minor thing such as the mooring of a buoy on the seabed .

I am nervous about the amendments. I can see why they might be attractive, but maybe the cabinet secretary can set all our minds at rest. We come to you now, cabinet secretary.