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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Keeping it simple and short works for me.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Ralph, you have the option of agreeing with Doug and Simon or coming up with two other things. Which would you like to do?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that we all accept—I believe this anyway—that demand will probably determine where production is. We will want production to be close to where demand is.

I have a question for Simon McNamara, although anyone can come in on it. We have heard that power to liquids is the long-term prospect and objective. When do you think that it will make a meaningful contribution to UK air travel? I know that you will say that the work has already started—I am expecting you to say that—but when will others follow Loganair’s lead, if that is the right expression?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that that was a hearing issue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Edward Mountain

I will bring in the deputy convener in a moment. The trouble is that we overrun when it is an interesting subject and everyone has lots of questions. That is fine—I do not mind that we have delayed the cabinet secretary. She can wait, because this is interesting and informative. However, I encourage the witnesses to give short answers. If you agree with one another, you can just say, “So-and-so is right”, instead of each person answering the question slightly differently. That is a gentle push for timekeeping.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you for coming to give evidence. I am sorry that the session ran on a bit, but that happens when the subject enthuses committee members. Thank you very much for that and for your time.

I suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses.

11:02 Meeting suspended.  

11:07 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. Simon McNamara, is SAF important to Loganair? Do you see it having a future?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Basically, a zonal pricing system was supposed to reduce the price of electricity in areas where it was produced.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Douglas, I am conscious that Kevin Stewart is keen to ask about future technologies. At some stage, we will go into the areas in which he indicated an interest, but would it be appropriate to bring him in now?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Edward Mountain

Our second item of business is consideration of a legislative consent memorandum on the United Kingdom Government’s Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill. The committee took evidence on that at its meeting on 30 September and agreed that further evidence would support our consideration.

As a brief reminder, a legislative consent memorandum is laid when a UK bill makes provision in areas that are within the legislative competence of the Scottish Parliament, or alters that competence or the executive competence of the Scottish Government. The committee must report to the Parliament on whether its consent should be granted.

The committee is also taking the opportunity to look more broadly at the prospect of sustainable aviation fuel production in Scotland and the potential role of that in reducing greenhouse gases from aviation. That will feed into our work later this year, when we will consider transportation aspects of the Scottish Government’s forthcoming climate change plan.

The bill aims to create more stable pricing for sustainable aviation fuel to encourage domestic production to grow, in parallel with increasing the mandate for the use of SAF by the industry. The Scottish Government supports the bill overall but is withholding its consent for now on some technical matters. I was going to say that I hoped that we would see a supplementary LCM soon, but we received that at 7 o’clock last night, and I believe that another will be forthcoming shortly.

I welcome Simon McNamara, head of government and corporate affairs, Loganair, and Doug McKiernan, co-founder and chief technical officer for Zero. I think that you were Zero Petroleum—is it now Zero?