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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 5, Against 2, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 154 agreed to.

Amendment 447 not moved.

Amendment 525 moved—[Douglas Lumsden].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 4, Abstentions 1.

Amendment 525 disagreed to.

Amendment 155 moved—[Mairi Gougeon].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I thank the cabinet secretary for that kind and generous offer. That will help at stage 3, but it will not help at stage 2, which is where we are at the moment. We have to make a decision based on the amendments that we have and the evidence that is in front of us.

As far as Rhoda Grant’s amendment 360 on crofting is concerned, I am not entirely convinced that that is required. I am also not sure that I understand how that would happen and what kind of crofting ownership that would apply to. Would it apply to an owner-occupied or a tenanted croft? There are too many missing parts to that wheel for me to be able to support amendment 360 and the other amendments in relation to crofting.

As I said, the deputy convener’s amendment 156 holds some attraction.

I want to push back in relation to Douglas Lumsden’s amendments on employment, as I am afraid that I am not taken by the cabinet secretary’s argument. During my 15 years of private practice, I sold estates on behalf of owners who stipulated that they could be sold only as a whole and could not be split up, in order to protect the employees who might have been on the estate for a long period of time.

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If we look at recent sales and purchases, I could point the cabinet secretary to Glen Prosen, an area that she is no doubt fully aware of. As a stipulation of the sale, which the Government required, the employees were made redundant before the Government purchased the land. I think that that illustrates that there are problems.

I do not believe that the Government can absolve itself from responsibilities on employment if it makes a decision to split up an estate. I think that the Government has an absolute obligation to say what is going to happen and to compensate people as a result. It may not always be the estate owner’s choice to sell; it may be forced on them by other means, such as a lack of cash, or a wish to invest in other things, as we have seen with estates around the country. I am not minded to accept what the Government has said about that.

I have no further comments. I call Tim Eagle to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 434.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 8 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Against

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 174A disagreed to.

Amendment 174B moved—[Mercedes Villalba].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

The question is, that amendment 174B be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I ask Mark Ruskell to wind up and indicate whether he wishes to press or withdraw amendment 374.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that your point is right. The aim of grouse moor licensing was to address what was perceived to be a problem with the persecution of raptors, and I accept that raptor persecution is wrong. The trouble is that the licensing has hardly been going for the two shakes of a dog’s tail; it has just come in. We have not seen whether it has had any effect and you already want to change it. I do not understand what your justification is for that. Perhaps there is evidence that I have missed. What has changed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Are you saying that you will not press it?