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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that Douglas Lumsden wants to come in on that issue before I move on to Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Okay. I have concerns about the principle because I do not think that it is detailed enough. To my mind, it is too blanket and it will drive smaller farmers out of the market because it will incentivise bigger farmers who can spread their costs across more livestock over a larger area. Does that not concern you? It obviously concerns the Scottish Government.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you, Kevin, and thank you for not missing a beat when I came to you when I should have gone to Douglas Lumsden first. Apologies to you and to Douglas. I will come to you in a minute, Douglas, but Monica Lennon has a follow-up question, and I also have one.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am tempted to ask Eoin Devane how many more battery storage sites that would mean are dotted around Scotland—as well as the size of each of them—but that is maybe too difficult to work out.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am intrigued about how that will be achieved, because you cannot increase road tax or fuel prices in rural areas without penalising them for it, and you cannot provide them with public transport because there is not the capacity for it, nor is there a wish to have public transport at the moment. How will the Government deliver that wonderful 6 per cent figure for people who live in rural communities?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

No, because I am going to come back to Douglas Lumsden, because I cut him off without even introducing him.

Back to you, Douglas. I apologise again; off you go.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

I am sure that we will come to agriculture later, but I make the observation in relation to moving from livestock to trees that I have yet to find a tree that is edible and worth eating—but we can have that conversation in a minute.

I am trying to drill down to whether you think that, when the Scottish Government produces its climate change plan, it will be in a position to allow the people of Scotland to understand what the cost is. You suggested moving to electric cars, but there is a huge cost to doing that. A lot of people who are using a fossil fuel car cannot find the additional money to move to an electric car—making that choice might be different for those who are paid as much as MSPs are, for example, but it is not for people who are on the minimum wage.

My question is whether people are going to understand the benefit to them. If they have to cough up £25,000 to £35,000 to put an air-source heat pump in their house—that is, by the time they have insulated it—and if they have to buy an electric car, which will probably add another £20,000 to that, are they going to understand that it might cost them £60,000 today but that in 20 years’ time they might get the money back? Surely that is the sort of information that people want to know when you are doing a budget.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I am going to move on to questions from Kevin Stewart.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Good morning, and welcome to the 25th meeting in 2025 of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. We have received apologies from Michael Matheson, and both Douglas Lumsden and Kevin Stewart are joining us online.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking items 3 and 4 in private. Item 3 is consideration of the evidence that the committee will have heard on the draft Climate Change (Scotland) Act 2009 (Scottish Carbon Budgets) Amendment Regulations 2025—I am sure that the titles of these things get longer every time I am given them to read. Item 4 is consideration of the committee’s work programme. Does the committee agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Edward Mountain

Maybe it is because I have not quite got used to my new hearing aids. I am working on it.

If you are refuting my previous comment, I want to try to work out the cost to each household in Scotland of reaching net zero in every year between now and 2045. What is your estimated cost?