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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Edward Mountain

Our second item of business is an evidence-taking session on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. Our focus is on part 1 of the bill, and we have been joined by a panel of community land stakeholders. I am pleased to welcome Dr Josh Doble, policy manager, Community Land Scotland; Jon Hollingdale, policy adviser, Scottish Community Alliance; and Linda Gillespie, head of community ownership, Development Trusts Association Scotland. I also welcome Rhoda Grant, who will be joining us remotely.

As people might have forgotten, I always like to make a declaration at the start of these sessions. It is the same declaration that I have made previously. I declare an interest in a farming partnership in Moray, as set out in my entry in the register of members’ interests. Specifically, I declare an interest as the owner of approximately 500 acres of farmed land, of which 50 acres is woodland. I declare that I am a tenant of approximately 500 acres in Moray under a non-agricultural tenancy and that I have another farm tenancy under the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991. I also declare that I sometimes take on annual grass lets. All the details of my entry in the register of members’ interests can be found online.

We have allocated about 90 minutes for this session. As convener, I get to ask a gentle warm-up question at the beginning. Is part 1 of the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill the right way to address any perceived problems?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Edward Mountain

Can I quiz you on that so that I understand it? In the legislation, “community body” is defined with regard to the leasing of land. Are you saying that you also want “community” to be defined in respect of consultation, and that you do not feel that it is sufficiently defined at present? Is that what you are saying?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Edward Mountain

So you want that section of the bill to be rewritten and a definition of “community” put in. When it comes to setting out a plan, it might be very difficult in parts of Scotland where the nearest community is miles from the bit of land in question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Edward Mountain

I am not sure that I see that, but I will reflect on what you have said.

Rhoda Grant has some questions. Rhoda, you have waited very patiently—the floor is yours.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Edward Mountain

Yes, of course.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Edward Mountain

I reconvene the meeting and move straight on with the remainder of our questions. Douglas Lumsden has asked all his questions, so we will move on to the next set, which come from Jackie Dunbar.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Edward Mountain

I think that we have come to the end of the questions, but I have a last, very simple one. Whenever I come up with a wish list of all the things that I would like to do, what tempers it at the end is the thought of how much it would cost.

Josh, I have waved a magic wand and everything that you want in the bill goes into the bill. What will it cost the Scottish Government?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Edward Mountain

With respect, I should say that, if you are going to buy a croft, its value will be determined under the crofting legislation. What we are talking about here is interfering with the free market. I understand that that might be your way of interpreting it, but do you accept that there could be quite a substantial cost to the Government in doing what you are suggesting?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Edward Mountain

We could discuss at length the Scottish outdoor access code, which, given that it has been in force for 20 years without ever having been reviewed or reconsidered, is a subject that is close to my heart. However, we will not do so. Instead, we will move on to Mark Ruskell’s next question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Edward Mountain

We will go to Douglas Lumsden for questions next, but I notice that our timings are going to be under pressure, so I must ask everyone to give succinct answers, where possible.