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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Graeme Roy, I am acutely aware that you very kindly gave up your time to come and give evidence today and that, through no fault of your own and as you made clear, you have another engagement to go to. We were slow in starting, so you are formally excused. Please do leave if you feel that you need to. Thank you for the helpful evidence you have given. I am sorry to bring that up.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Emily, do you want to add anything?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

David, do you want to add something?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I understand that, in the legislation, the delay to the carbon budgets is put down to your report next year and that we will get them some time after that report. There is no specified timetable for the climate change plan, which will just follow on at some stage in the future.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Mark Ruskell is going to push you on that later, but I have a brief question, and a one-word answer is fine. Are you concerned about that or are you happy with it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Graeme Roy, do you want to add anything to that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

One of my concerns—it would be one for the cabinet secretary to address—is that the carbon budgets will be set by subordinate legislation, which means that scrutiny will be quite limited. That might be of concern to other parliamentarians.

Dr Nurse, I will come back to you if I may. It was flagged up in summer 2023 that the 2030 targets were unattainable and that something needed to happen. It was flagged up that we would get something in April. Scrapping the 2030 targets is also scrapping the 2040 targets. Is that the right thing to do, or will we now be drifting? Do you think that there is a clear path of reduction?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

No. You are not getting away that easily. [Laughter.]

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I will push you further, then I will go to Mark Ruskell, who has a supplementary question and other questions.

The bill suggests that the plans and reports cover a period of five years. One criticism in the evidence that we took over the summer was exactly the point that you made. Ought the legislation to have a tighter reporting period for carbon budgets, to see whether they are achieving their aims?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

We can go to David Hawkey but, before we do, Douglas Lumsden wants to clarify a point with Emily Nurse.