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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Edward Mountain
Our second item of business is an evidence session on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill. Today, we will hear from two panels of witnesses. I welcome to the meeting our first panel, which is made up of representatives of non-governmental organisations. David Fleetwood is the director of policy at the John Muir Trust; Sarah Madden is vice-convener of the land use and land reform group at Scottish Environment LINK; and Dr Tara Wight is Scotland policy and campaigns co-ordinator at the Landworkers’ Alliance. I do not know why it was difficult to get my tongue round that, but it proved to be difficult. Tara is appearing remotely. Finally, we have Max—I am not even going to get this out, although Max and I know each other well—Wiszniewski, who is the campaign manager for the Revive coalition. Thank you all for attending.
I also welcome Rhoda Grant MSP to the meeting. She will ask some questions at the end.
As I do at all such meetings, I declare my interest in a farming partnership in Moray, as is set out in my entry in the register of members’ interests. Specifically, I declare an interest as owner of approximately 500 acres of farmland, of which 50 acres are woodland, and as a tenant of approximately 500 acres in Moray under a non-agricultural tenancy. I have another farming tenancy under the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991, and I also declare that I sometimes take on annual grass lets.
I will start off with an easy question. David Fleetwood, what is the extent of the John Muir Trust’s holdings?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Edward Mountain
That is an undecided.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Edward Mountain
Okay. Max?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Edward Mountain
Is your answer a yes or a no?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Edward Mountain
—of most of the separate holdings?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Edward Mountain
I will move on to questions from the deputy convener, as I want to get on to the rest of the conversation, which is about the legislation, not land ownership. I assume that Gresham House complies with land ownership legislation and has declared any controlling interest in land in the land register, as has everyone else. I think that the requirement was to do that by April this year.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Edward Mountain
Have you complied with that?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Edward Mountain
If only it were as easy as recording one’s interests on the parliamentary register.
Let us get back to the legislation, with questions from Mark Ruskell.
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Edward Mountain
Rob Carlow, I think that many of your holdings are under 1,000 hectares, but, if the threshold was dropped to 500 hectares, would you be worried about having to go through a lotting process? Would you wish not to be exposed to those sorts of challenges if you were going to invest in forestry?
Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee
Meeting date: 4 February 2025
Edward Mountain
They are conservative with a small “c”. Mark Ruskell, the next question is yours.