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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Having read the amendment carefully, I am unclear about how many new crofts or how many small landholdings would have to be created. That creates questions, which would mean that the regulations would constantly be challenged.

I also struggle with whether the amendment takes into account crofting estates and how new crofts would be created without causing problems to the original crofting owners, and whether, on those estates, the areas that might be included would include a share of the common grazings, which would completely skew the use of the common grazings of the remaining crofters.

As far as the Small Landholders (Scotland) Act 1911 is concerned, we have very few small landholders within that act. I can never remember quite how many there are, but I think that the number is around 70 or 80, or maybe fewer—maybe it is in the 60s. I do not know; the cabinet secretary will no doubt explain that. The evidence that we took from the people who are involved in this suggested that, rather than creating more, they would rather move such landholdings into agricultural tenancies, which may be the way forward to protect them and ensure that they survive. However, I will go to the cabinet secretary on those points.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

My point was that you have introduced legislation on crofting and that the Crofting Commission will enforce that for crofts that are left unoccupied or are not properly being used, but there is nothing in the legislation regarding smallholdings. Are you content that the situation with crofts will never happen on smallholdings when you are giving them that extra protection?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I now ask Tim Eagle to speak to amendment 218 and any other amendments in the group.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

I call amendment 501, in the name of Emma Harper, already debated with amendment 528. Emma Harper to move or not move.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you, Ms Harper. I am giving you a bit of leeway this evening. I am usually quite strict about members saying only whether they are moving or not moving an amendment. You have got your comment there, and we will not need to do that again. I encourage members not to do that.

Amendment 502 not moved.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

We have got to where we needed to get to this evening so I will now pause stage 2 proceedings for today. We will continue our consideration on Tuesday 24 June. It is still my aim to complete stage 2 in time to meet the end of June deadline. I warn members who wish to contribute that we will start at 8.40 on Tuesday. Mr Ewing, it will, as always, be delightful to see you, even if you are only virtual at that stage.

With that, I close the meeting.

Meeting closed at 19:46.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

As noted in the correction to the groupings, the next group is on natural capital investment. Due to the order of the marshalled list of amendments, the group on Crown rights to foreshore and seabed will follow this group. Amendment 478, in the name of Rachael Hamilton, is the only amendment in the group. I call Rachael Hamilton to move and speak to amendment 478.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

You will get a chance to wind up at the end, Monica. Michael, do you want to come in at this stage?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Against

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Abstentions

Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Edward Mountain

There will be a division.

For

Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)

Against

Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Lumsden, Douglas (North East Scotland) (Con)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)

Abstentions

Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)