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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I thought that I could rely on you to give a definitive answer.

I thank everyone very much for their evidence this morning. It has been a challenge for me to try to get all the answers in on time. I am sorry if you feel that you have not had the opportunity to contribute fully, but we have had already longer than we anticipated.

I suspend the meeting briefly, until 11.35 am. I again thank our witnesses for their evidence. I hope that you all have a good Christmas.

11:29 Meeting suspended.  

11:35 On resuming—  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I will butt in here briefly. I am conscious that only two members have asked questions and that another five members want to ask questions. It is fine for the witnesses to keep talking, but I have to work with the five other committee members who you are excluding, so could you be kind to me before Christmas and try to keep your answers as short as possible so that I can bring them all in?

Lloyd Austin and, I think, one or two other panellists mentioned livestock, so I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I am a livestock farmer and have an interest in a livestock farm in Moray. That does not mean that I do not agree with anything that you say, but people should bear that in mind.

I think that Mark Winskel is next—your brevity would be of benefit for my Christmas. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Right, okay. That is quite stark—I am sure that committee members will pick up on that as we go through the session. I noticed that some of the witnesses were nodding when you were making those comments. It will be up to them to build on them.

The next questions are from Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Thank you. I see that Jillian Anable has now managed to join us—there must have been some gremlin in the system that stopped you getting in, Jillian, but you are now here. You are not going to get a chance to answer the first two questions, but I am sure that other members will bring you in.

We will now move straight to Mark Ruskell for his questions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Kevin Anderson has been waiting patiently.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

A bit like Lloyd Austin, your use of punctuation there was good.

Kevin Anderson, do you want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

We will move into private for about half an hour before we hear from the first panel of witnesses.

08:31 Meeting continued in private.  

09:02 Meeting continued in public.  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I will ask the other witnesses to reflect on the point that you have made. Those with memories of this Parliament will know that, just before the previous election, a climate change plan was produced that included some headline-grabbing targets, but those targets proved to be unachievable. We are now in a similar situation in that we will be considering the draft climate change plan in the dying days of this session of Parliament, just before dissolution and the election. We could have been considering it in 2023, but the Government decided to delay its publication.

James Curran, when you are reflecting on what has changed, could you say whether you are concerned about where we are at? I am certainly concerned.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

No, but I am interested in whether you have fears, given that you gave evidence in 2017 and since then, that we are in the last three months of this parliamentary session, having had a little break for Christmas, and are still trying to find our way through the plan. Does that concern you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I think that we will have a month, once the consultation has finished, to find out.