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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

We have a very polite panel. If anyone else wants to comment, please indicate that to me. Please do not throw just anything at me, but if you indicate that you want to come in, I will certainly let you in.

Before I bring David Hawkey in, will you comment further on the 2045 target, Emily? You said that it is right to keep it. Is it ambitious? Is it achievable, or is it unachievable, like the 2030 target? Is it definitely something that we should aim for, but the chances that we will not hit it are quite high?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Sorry, David.

I am going to push you on that. You said that 2045 might be achievable, but it comes with a serious health warning. You mentioned trees, but we have cut the budget for planting this year and we have not reached our targets in the past six years. Actually, I think that we met the target once, to give credit where it is due, but we have had five failures and only one success. Are you saying that there is a serious health warning about meeting the target, Emily?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

David, I will bring you in now.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

David Hawkey can come back in if he is brief.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Three years is too late. Should it be two years?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

One year?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

I am asking about that from a parliamentary scrutiny point of view. I want to know what the period is so that, should the Government slow down for any reason, perhaps due to a slight hiccup, whoever scrutinises things will know that. Would it be fair to say that, for the first five-year carbon budget, the climate change plan must be released within two months of that budget having been set? Would that be too tight? Should it be three months?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

You are saying—correct me if I am wrong—that the climate change plan to achieve the first five-year carbon budget needs to be published at the same time as the budget is published. There can be a small delay, to allow us to see the way forward, but it cannot be delayed for a year. I want to include a date in the bill, to hold everyone to account. If you include a date, you can hold politicians to account.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

Monica Lennon wants to come in, after which I will bring in Ben Macpherson.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2024

Edward Mountain

It is important. The issue is the timing of the climate change plan in relation to the first carbon budget and how that could—without putting words into your mouth—run slightly differently for subsequent carbon budgets because there is a bit more time.