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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

The next questions will come from Mark Ruskell.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I understand that, but I also understand that the low-hanging fruit are urban centres where buses, bicycling and changing the use of streets make more sense. In rural areas, they do not make a lot of sense.

I want to go back to a point that I made earlier. I am completely confused, because I went through the costs and benefits, which none of the witnesses have challenged me on, and I am sure you would have looked at them. I gave you a non-cumulative benefit figure that was identified by the Government in annex 3. If you add those figures together, it comes to a total financial benefit figure of £26 billion, with a cost estimate of £12.7 billion. I am interested that you did not challenge me on the figures that I gave you, because I tripped myself up to find out whether that was an area that you had looked at, but you have not really looked at the costs of this and were not able to challenge me on it. You just accepted the figures that I gave you, even though they were incorrect. Why would that give me confidence that what you are suggesting will be correct?

Adrian Davis, as you answered, I will come to you first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

I am just saying that I have struggled, like most people who have picked up the massive climate change plan. It is massive, and it formed a good part of my Christmas reading—that is probably a sorry state of affairs to be in. I have looked at the figures, and I cannot make them work. Having quoted the figures at you, I am interested to see that you do not seem to be able to make them work either. Maybe the Government will understand them.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Edward Mountain

In relation to the evidence that we have heard so far, I want to drag us back to the Highlands and Islands, which is the area that I live in. We do not have such transport routes. Yesterday, there were no trains and no buses. If I had jumped on a bicycle to get here, I would probably have got only as far as Aviemore by now. How do we sell this policy to the people who are not the low-hanging fruit, who might be penalised by some of the things that have been suggested?

Sara, do you want to have a go at answering that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I am sorry—I am in the most impossible situation.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Monica, have you a brief follow-up for anyone in particular?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

Welcome back. Our fourth item of business is an evidence session on the Scottish Government’s draft climate change plan, which sets out how the Government intends to meet its carbon reduction targets. The committee is leading a cross-committee effort to scrutinise the draft plan, and the Scottish Government has said that it will lay the final plan by the end of March. Everyone who gives evidence today will be contributing to a report that we will publish in, I hope, late February, with a debate in the chamber to follow.

I welcome to the meeting Lloyd Austin, policy adviser for Stop Climate Chaos Scotland; Professor James Curran, a member of the Climate Emergency Response Group; Dr Mark Winskel, a senior lecturer at the University of Edinburgh; Jess Pepper, the founder and director of Climate Café; and Professor Kevin Anderson, a professor of energy and climate change at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. I thank all the witnesses for attending the meeting.

This evidence session is intended to provide an overview of the whole draft climate change plan, without a focus on any specific policy. We will go straight to questions. As convener, I get to ask the first question, which is always an easy one—the warmer into the bank, as it were—to allow you to express your views. Given that there are five witnesses, it will not be possible for everyone to answer every question that is asked. To help me, if you agree with something that somebody said earlier, you do not have to repeat it. It would be great if you could just say that you agree or that you do not agree and then say why, because that will save a bit of time. We have about two hours for this evidence session.

It is seven years since we had a full climate change plan, and it is five years since the climate change plan update. A lot of countries, including Scotland, have adopted an ambition for net zero emissions, with the intention of achieving the Paris agreement targets on temperature increase. In your view—you will all get a chance to answer this question—what are the key things that have changed?

I will bring in Lloyd Austin first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

We come to questions from Monica Lennon, who is joining us online.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

From what I have heard, they are more expensive and they can do fewer runs, so hauliers are not keen on them.

Kevin Stewart wants to follow up on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Edward Mountain

I will hand straight back to Douglas Lumsden, because we all jumped in on his question.